Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act, warrant reveals

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  1. Irrational thinker

    Irrational thinker Well-Known Member

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    You already have a traitor doing Xi’s bidding in the White House.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    I'm pretty sure that the Espionage act requires one to collude with a foreign entity.

    Similar to what Obma did with the Koch-Glitsch Italia back door sale of pipeline equipment to Putin for his Crimea pipeline.
     
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    Incorrect. Retaining sensitive documents is sufficient to trigger criminal liability.
     
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  4. Alwayssa

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    Actually it does. It goes towards intent if there is a trial per the codes you cited.
     
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    I am positive that a corrupt bureaucracy could convict any person they want. Given the tens of thousands of laws on the book, every person in America has broken federal law multiple times in their lifetime. As Stalin's butcher Beria famously said: "show me the man and I'll show you the crime".

    We have more in common with the USSR than we have in common with the America I was born into. The biggest remaining difference is that the state has not begun wholesale slaughter of their opponents and the middle class. Time to gut the power of America's bureaucracy, they are a clear and present danger.
     
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  6. Alwayssa

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    No such thing as a "deep state." That is another conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.
     
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  7. Alwayssa

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    Well, if that is the case, why aren't the tariffs on Chinese goods lifted already?
     
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    So much delusion. Lol @ anyone who thinks any of this nonsense holds water.
     
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  9. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure it doesn't which is why you will be able to debunk these inconvenient facts:

     
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    You don't forgive a bank robber because some other bank robber got away with a crime.
    Looks like Trump has been caught red handed.
    Hillary got away with her crap because Trump's Justice Department was run by the idiots Trump appointed.

    One crime does not excuse the other.
     
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    if Trump was not a previous President, this would be bad, but I bet he just gets a hand slap, course it will be one for the history books
     
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    Dude - Trump was the one who SIGNED the law that made taking secret documents home A BIG DEAL.
     
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    Don't need to debunk all of these, just a few, random, selected ones and wee will go from there.

    I got this same email in my spam folder a few days ago claiming to be from Mastriano's Governor campaign. Didn't click the link because it was spam. And quickly deleted the email after reading it.

    1. This is the alleged WikiLeaks cable dump via a Russian disinformation campaign. Second, This has to do with the Uranium One deal scandal under the Obama Administration. I did an internet search to find this and only came up with a facebook page with a snippet of an alleged Wikileaks Document. Nothing on what the document was, where, when, etc. Go to the Wikileaks Dump that I provided and nothing is there at all. Thus debunked by your own source.

    2. Clinton Foundation. Yes, there was an investigation into the Foundation and its role in Rich, whom Clinton pardoned. However, no grand jury indictment occurred, aka no bill even though the GOP DOJ was in charge. So, no coincidence. The laws and legal procedures were followed and no indictment was granted by the empaneled jury. Next.

    3. Let's look at James Comey. He left the DOJ in 2005 and became chief legal counsel to Lockheed Martin's Executive Vice President who was head of Bridgewater, an investment company. He didn't violate any laws when he did this and he left because he wouldn't go along with warrantless searches during the Bush Administration. Does not sound like a deep state to me, does it. .

    4. Lisa Barsooman, the only evidence I see is on Facebook with that same type of snippet from the alleged Wikileaks. I tried to search for this in Wikileaks dumps, but could not find anything that matches that. I did find information about her except for said Facebook page. She was a US Attorney during the Obama administration and thus would not be the one handling the FOIA requests in the DOJ. That goes to a separate office, usually a dedicated communications group within the DOJ. So, that is debunked. And yes, she is the wife of Rod Rosenstein, who was deputy attorney general during both the obama and trump administrations.

    Most of what was listed is what I call fast and loose. Go into the details, and it is debunked, as I just did.
     
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  14. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Vacuous drivel devoid of evidence and reality, comment dismissed.
     
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    Spot on!

    Garland is now going to be up for impeachment. Glad to see congress is going hold these hacks accountable.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, two of the three violations do not require intent (see below) and the classifications are irrelevant. However, Top Secret classifications, though the violations are not dependent on the classification, would embolden the prosecution's argument that the documents have national security implications, especially TS/SCI documents, and it has been reported that there were such documents. The point is, it would not matter if the president declassified them, the fact that they were so classified emboldens the prosecutor's argument. Moreover, Trump cannot declassify nuke docs with out permission from the nuke agency ( I forget the name of it ).

    18 U.S. Code § 2071 does not require intent

    18 U.S. Code § 793 (f) does not require intent.

    18 U.S. Code § 1519, the section for intent is if the defendant intended to obstruct justice.
     
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    “Infamy, infamy…! They’ve all got it in fer me…!”
     
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    Which foreign govt did reality Winner collab with?
    That’s not a requirement, at all. Not that it would suppose me if he was….
     
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  19. The Mello Guy

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    Dang, sounds like some hate America as much as Griner.
     
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    Hell I should have just told the judge I didn't actually intend to break the law!

    If it works for a politician why doesn't it work for a citizen?

    I thought ignorance of the law was no excuse?

    To say that you committed a criminal action but you did not intend to there's nothing but claiming that you were ignorant that what you did is illegal.
     
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  21. The Mello Guy

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    a)
    Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
     
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    Don't you think our politicians should be held to at least the same standards that we citizens are.... If not significantly higher?
     
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    Yes - and that is exactly what is happening with trump. He is not above the law.
     
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    I'm sure if Hillary Clinton could read your post she would cackle.
     
  25. The Mello Guy

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    Yah….and apparently so does Garland. I’m not sure the gop feels the same way.
     
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