Trump Warns of Possible North Korea Conflict

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    I've never said they've used poison gas, just mentioning that any poison gas use (no matter who or where in the world) is prohibited. Kim has at least threatened with the use of WMD's ... whether he really will do no one really knows, but in my opinion he will do it!
     
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    So have we, the main difference is that North Korea is no longer a member of the NPT. So they're not violating any laws, but they sure have been enduring a lot of punishment by nations that are violating international laws.
     
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    Well ... they were never of course and for sure have many who blame them done evil things too, but a comparison of NK with Nazi regimes is valid ... if taken Holocaust aside.
    Never forget who started the hostilities over 60 years ago with a full scale invasion!
     
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    How do you figure that the North Koreans were ever like the Nazis?
     
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    Becaue their system of dpressing the own population with total brainwashing starting by the kids! Go and investigate this closer by your own with sources from all directions and make your own comparison about.
    But honestly, Hitler's system here was even adopted by many communist regimes too. Compare for example the Nazi youth organizations of Hitlerjugend and Bund Deutscher Maedel with the depending communist youth organization... including that in NK.

    I mean, when this bastard in NK claimed in 2014 that NK had won the FIFA World Champion Chip (soccer) in Brazil and that when he visited the matches of NK team, all people in stadium cheered him etc., someone can laugh about this BS ... but this only the more funny part of serious evil Propaganda War!
     
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    Do you mean like when elementary school kids in the US are forced to pledge allegiance to the flag? I found something you might find interesting. I'd be interested if you think that makes the US a lot like Nazi Germany. Here's more.
     
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    use Google images or video searching and type in "Person cult North Korea" to see what I mean!
     
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    You're a really fast reader. So what's your take on China and Japan, are they Nazish also?
     
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    Everywhere are extremists and you forgot to name the military schools in Russia for example. But problem is the system behind and if this is a general official thing of the government id behind and force the complete population for it or if it is part of a society which is more or less allowed or liked by parts under democratic situation.
     
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    I was thinking I left out India considering that's where the swastika originated from
     
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    No, I mean Kennedy. Eisenhower warned Kennedy during the transition, plus called Kennedy twice and also sent letters to Kennedy begging him not to deploy Jupiter missiles to Italy and Turkey until the "situation" in Cuba had been resolved.

    Kennedy, acting stupidly, ignored Eisenhower's wise counsel.

    Eisenhower foresaw that the Soviets would respond to the US missile deployments by warming up to Cuba and attempting to place Soviet missiles in Cuba in order to gain parity with the US.
     
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    You're skipping over some relevant points here. It was Dwight D Eisenhower that closed the American Embassy in Havana and severed relations with Cuba. But well before that Cuba already had a history with Spain that was falling apart. Cuba became a Spanish colony, but that started failing in 1868 ten year war, then the little war of 1879, an finally gained its independence in the war of 1895-98. Cuba established trade relations with the US after that. This relationship lasted for fifty years, but inside Cuba a rebellion started to form by socialist feeling like they were getting the wrong end of the deal. Slavery had been abolished in Cuba in 1886, but it didn't feel that way to citizens that felt enslaved to the following government. The US was the one that helped Cuba gain it's independence from Spain, but that new alliance came with strings attached. Thomas Estrada Palma was the President of Cuba at the time and the Platt Amendment gave the US the right to intervene in Cuban affairs. in 1906 Jose Miguel Gomez led a rebellion and became President in 1909 following election supervised by the US, after which the government quickly became exceedingly corrupt. In 1912 US forces helped the Cuban government suppress Black Cubans protesting against discrimination. In 1925 the Socialist Party was founded. In 1933, Machodo (who'd been in power) was over thrown by Fulgencio Batista. In 1934 the US revises Cuba's sugar quota and changes tariffs to favor Cuba. Between 1944 and 1952 power went from Batista to Ramon Gray San Martin, back to Batista again. The Cuban government was full of corruption by this point. In 1953 Fidel Castro attempted a revolt agaist Batista but failed. In 1958 the US withdrew military aid to Batista, and the following year Castro returned with 9000 guerrilla army forcing Batista tho flee. The Castros took over Cuba. In 1960 all US businesses in Cuba are nationalized without compensation and in 1961 Washington breaks off all diplomatic relations with Havana. It wasn't until after the Bay of Pigs incident that Castro proclaimed Cuba a Communist State and sought to align with the USSR. It was US Fascism that pushed them there, which was incompatible with Cuba's Socialist interests, but Cuba needed a strong hand to deter US Fascist so they went to adopting Communism and gained protection from the USSR. The Russian were more than happy to oblige. The US was already threatening Russia in its backyard so now the Russians could counter that aggression by doing the same thing in the US's backyard from Cuba. Thus the dawn of the Cold War was born, and it was caused by the US.
     
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    Seems to me Batista blew it and Eisenhower removed support. After all Castro was supposed to be the next great Socialist leader of the people. Didn't really work out that way though.
     
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    I wouldn't say that. The Castros held power in Cuba longer than the US and in-spite of the US attempts to end their control.
     
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    Yeah it worked out for the Castros....not the people unfortunately. But then, that's what socialism does.
     
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    No, I'm not. The US and Russia were in a Cold War since the Berlin Airlift and Kennedy caused the Cuban Missile Crisis, which is incorrectly named and should more properly be called the Kennedy Political Crisis.

    All of the following are facts:

    1] Castro took part in the fire-bombing of an army barracks
    2] Castro and other participants were imprisoned
    3] the US State Department pressured Batista into granting clemency for those involved
    4] the US invited Castro to a meeting at US Embassy Mission Mexico City, for purpose of recruiting Castro
    5] Castro attended that meeting as was recruited to overthrow Batista
    6] the CIA assigned agent Frank Sturgis as case officer.
    7] Sturgis was responsible for operational planning of Batista's overthrow, and the coordination of logistics and intelligence for Castro's rebel army

    Those are the facts as admitted into the record by the United States Government. See the reports of the Pike Committee, the Church Committee and the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
     
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    And remind me again just why the US wanted to overthrow Batista.
     
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    The US has a habit of over-throwing its puppet governments in Central & South America, when they don't perform or if they "threaten" US corporations doing business in those countries.
     
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    Exactly, thank you; this is all about US Corporate interests (just like every other war we've clung to since WWII). None of those nations have ever threatened the US homeland or US citizens.
     
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