Trump's illegal call to Ukraine was for his own personal benefit??

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    Trump's illegal call to Ukraine was for his own personal benefit??

    So the president can't do anything for his own personal benefit??

    Can he make the economy boom?

    Can he make peace in the Middle East?
     
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    No one said that the President can't ever do anything for his own benefit. No one. It is a fake argument.
     
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    That's an interesting question. The emoluments cause suggests he/she cannot, which is why previous presidents sold off or put in blind trust any financial interest, investment, or real estate. As President of the United States, you surrender most of your private life. That's a high payment but the rewards are manifest. Which brings us to today.

    Evidence has compounded that Trump violated the emoluments clause, among other laws in dealing with a foreign power. With little doubt Trump sought to tie U.S. aid to Ukraine to an investigation of Democrats and Joe Biden and his son. That kind of information satisfies the emoluments' definition of "something of value." Clearly, such information, if in fact it exists, would be "of value" to Trump. This is the crux of the Impeachment investigation.
     
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    yes Constitution says you cant take bribe from foreign country as Biden did. Trump must investigate before we elect mafia Biden family to White House - right???
     
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    dear, there is this thing called google which shows 180,000 sites talking about how Trump personally benefited from call. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

    'Do Us a Favor': Call Shows Trump's Interest in Using U.S. ...

    https://www.nytimes.com › 2019/09/25 › politics › ukraine-transcript-trump

    Sep 25, 2019 - Both held the potential to benefit Mr. Trump politically. ... oath of office by coercing another world leader into supporting his personal political agenda. ... Full Document: Trump's Call With the Ukrainian President .... just before the president made the short trip to the Pentagon for the ceremonial swearing-in of ...
     
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    dear, it was Biden who took the bribe or emolument. See how the liberal press has twisted your mind?? Are you hip to it now??
     
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    and the Steele Dossier was of political value to Hillary. Is the liberal saying a politician cant investigate the opposition? Do you have any idea what you are saying??
     
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    How did the Steele dossier help Clinton?
     
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    And what office did Hillary hold at the time?
     
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    it revealed Trump in bed with many Russian prostitutes. 1+1=2
     
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    so the guy in office cant do opposition research but his out of office opponent can???????????
     
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    If he is a secondary beneficiary of an action I.e. clean air act makes less likely to get asthma (general example) then no it is not a conflict of interest because a wide group within society would benefit as well as that one person

    If they are the primary beneficiary then yes it is a breach of emoluments act

    Now how are you going to spin the fact he was dirt digging to try and prove he was only a secondary beneficiary?
     
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    Did Hillary pay for that information or was it gifted?
     
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    "Did it for his own benefit" =/= "Anything and everything that benefits him is illegal."

    Where am I losing you?

    That's like saying that bribery being illegal means it is illegal to ever be paid for anything. Complete nonsense.
     
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    And THAT does not worry you that he was compromised by Russian intelligence?
     
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    Did she pay or was it gifted?
     
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    He can do opposition research. But you can’t violate the emoluments clause if you hold no office
     
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    so Biden is guilty for taking $50/k bribe/ emoulment per month from Ukraine???
     
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    You really can't be that dumb....well, who knows. Stay in Australia and stay the **** out of our politics.

    Here's your Trump naked pictures:

     
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    Constitution says nothing about primary/secondary emolument. this is made up on spot gibberish. President benefits from clean air personally as does entire nation. Trump reelection saves country from Green New Deal Great Depression so doing oppo research is a moral duty and primary benefit to Trump and nation.

    Clean air prevents asthma and gets Trump elected. Who is to split hairs over whether booming economy or dirt on Biden benefits Trump personally more???
     
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    a little of both. And?????????????????????? Do you have any idea what your point is??
     
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    no because it was fake news ie not true. 1+1=2 embarrassed yet??
     
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    Biden was vice president when he took bribe/emolument from Ukraine. what planet have you been on??
     
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    so making economy boom to get reelected and getting dirt on Biden to get reelected are both illegal???
     
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    =/= means "Does not equal." This is a fake argument. No one has claimed that a good economy is illegal.

    Also, Trump hasn't "made the economy boom," as anyone who can read a graph can tell you.
     
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