Turkey Will Leave Nato If Greece Attacks

Here's a few quotes from an article in Strategic Culture Foundation:

"...From standpoint of the overwhelming majority of Crimea’s residents, a historical injustice was redressed in March 2014. Ukraine was stripped of what it had obtained illegally between 1991 and 1995 using deception and military force..."

"... on March 16, 2014, the Crimeans were offered a choice: to rejoin Russia or to return to the constitution of 1992 that proclaimed Crimea a legal, democratic, secular state whose relationship with Ukraine was based on bilateral agreements. That constitution was unilaterally abolished by Kiev on March 17, 1995..."

"... in 1995, special ops forces from the Security Service of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine landed in Crimea and Sevastopol in order to establish «Ukrainian law and order», seizing the building housing the Supreme Council of the republic, where the administration of the acting president of Crimea, Yuriy Meshkov, was also headquartered, and demanding that he be turned over..."

"... Much later he described how his drink had been poisoned, and that later in the hospital he was refused proper medical care. Only an emergency evacuation to Moscow miraculously saved his life..."

"...In this manner, the real annexation of Crimea by Ukraine, which no one condemned, was completed in 1995..."

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/28/so-who-annexed-crimea-peninsular-then/​

If the Crimean people had voted to return to their Constitution of 1992 and return to being an independent democratic and secular state, they would have been invaded and swallowed up by Ukraine again. This is the reason they voted to return to Russia.

 

From what I just read, 99% of the people in Turkey, whether they are Islamists, Kemalists, Nationalists, or Communists are pushing for war with Greece as an act of patriotism. In their minds it's not expansionism, because they see the Lausanne Treaty as being null and void. To them the Aegean is their Blue Homeland and has been illegally occupied by Greece for 3 thousand plus years or so.

As for Cyprus, the Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar was furious that French Rafael jets are on their island. Mind you Cyprus is now Turkey's, even though it is a sovereign nation and part of the EU. You figure!

Frankly I don't think a war can be avoided. There is no way the Greek people will give up any of their islands - rocks or otherwise.




Just another peaceful day in the Turkish Parliament.

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Don't forget ... I have said from the beginning and for years that I am OK with annexing the Crimea by Russia

It is true that there were always separatist tendencies in the Crimea and that Kiev then took action against them.
Basically you can say ...
Russia had its Chechnya in this regard and to a far bloodier extent in terms of separatists (I am talking about the time before they mutated into fanatical Islamic terrorists).
Ukraine had the Crimea in this regard ... and also, in principle, the Donbass, but far less bloody.

 

Lets say it like this ...
In itself, the US would give both countries a headbutt that really hurts before they really shoot each other.
With a President Trump that will most likely not happen, because he and his supporters ultimately want to say goodbye to Europe with all the BS of lies that they are also spreading about the matter.
It should also not be forgotten that Erdogan threatened the USA with an "Ottoman slap in the face" if the USA continued to support or even help the Kurds in northern Syria before Turkey invaded northern Syria. Trump's reaction was then the US troop withdrawal from Syria ... says everything about this coward hot air spreader in White House!

However, there are also indications here that there is truthful friendship between Trump, Putin and Erdogan behind the scenes. If that's true, then maybe they have already agreed on the matter here ... also Greece stands for the EU and all 3 don't like the EU.

Be that as it may, it's all a game with fire, because in whatever happens ... you have to decide on a side ... and at least from Europe that looks bad for Erdogan because no one of European NATO members is on his side... and or the USA, I do as I explained above set a question mark what they will do!

The weapon technology that then comes together is also interesting. Both are largely equipped in the same way in terms of weapon systems. For example, the F-16 jet forms the core of the Air Force in both of them (even Turks have some more of them) and the German Leopard 2 battle tank forms the core of the armored forces in both of them (even if the Greeks have more the most modern version) ... and so I could go deeper and deeper in detail, but the exampls shall be enough here.

And about NATO, it could be the coffin nail for it too. Both are members of NATO and without an USA who tells them who is the boss of both, I am pretty sure that NATO will fall apart then. But I am not really sad if this happens...

 

Here's the latest from Turkey's alternate universe, where Greek islands are either non existent as far as their continental shelf goes, or they belong to Turkey.

"The EU has no right to criticise the exploration activities of our country on our own continental shelf and demand that it be stopped... We call on the EU countries not to support the maximalist demands of Greece, contrary to international law, under the pretext of solidarity and unity", spokesman of the Turkish Foreign Ministry Hami Aksoy said.​

The government controlled Turkish newspapers are preparing the Turkish people for war with headlines calling Mitsokakis and Macron 'pirates', and threats like: 'We will throw them in the sea', as a reference to what they did during Attaturks genocides of the Greek population in the city of Smyrna/Ismir, etc.

There is one Turkish professor that tried to explain to the people that everything is Turkey's fault, and that they are disregarding the Lausanne Treaty signed by Attaturk, where all the islands were given to Greece in exchange for Turkey taking Smyrna and the coast of Anatolia. Also the Dodacanese islands like Rhodes were owned by Italy, and they gave them to Greece at the end of WWII. But the poor man is getting death threats.

Turkey usually attacks during major religious holidays and the next one is September 7. Otherwise they will probably wait until Christmas.

 

I have had the opportunity to spend time with Greeks and with Turks here.
I suggest everyone have the opportunity and see which group you feel more comfortable
That tells the tale!