TV comedy president takes big lead in Ukraine election

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    LOL...oh excuse me, my bad for the "trucker language" im so used too on here....it seemed quite fitting. Anyway, "who cares where Thedimon comes from"?? Well yeah it does matter dude, since hes directly from there and knows whats going on.....whereas you seem to pull things out of your ass.

    Your claim has been substantiated by multiple sources??? So by your claim several postings back where theres "goosestepping and nightly marches by Neo Nazis, Banderites, Azov, and rights abuses of gays, elderly, Russians, and other "undesireables"....who are these ….undesirables as you claim? That are THROUGHOUT the country?, provide the phucking links/sources, accurate ones, no Russian newslinks, or Al Jazeera, RT, Pravda, Moon over Alabama, or some up my ass dot com BS, better yet, provide actual first person video footage of all these abuses, from east to west, with voice recordings and no editing of any kind, raw footage? Im talking Lviv, Ivano, Kyiv, Odessa, Dnepropretrovsk, Nykolayev, Kherson, Zaporozhia, Kharkiv, Mariupol, Sumy, Kirovograd, and so on?? If by some chance you can minutely provide a shred of it, then that previous posting of yours just might have a half ounce of phucking credibility:))!

    I could care less from where youre posting......a ST pete troll basement would be a first guess.:)).
     
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    OK, so my smiley emoticons seem to bother you? Well, good, mission accomplished, I do possess quite an ability to get under peoples skin. I guess its better than picking you nose:))….tell me, after you've dug around in there and pull your finger out, do you eat your boogers?, roll them up in little shnot balls and fling them at your grandkids? Yank your spanky?:))

    I don't watch spongebob….I watch stuff like AHC, Popular mechanics, im a tradeperson, twice over. But go ahead watch SpongeBob, its more like your 3rd grade level, grandpa,LOL.

    I see, so im guessing after your little tiff with dimon, your had a little s*** fit and went crying to the mods like a 3rd grader? Well heres some advice....grow a spine , it wont be the first/last time you get bodyslammed here.
     
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    I don't know why you think you get under anyone's skin. It's more your childish gibberish and illegible and childish posting style clog up what could be interesting threads for people with more informed or at least grown up opinions. It's like having an annoying child having a tantrum during an adult discussion.

    And just for the record, I've never gone to the mods except for the couple of times they've deleted my posts.

    I guess they just showed up on their own and deleted his unprovoked insults for the childish outburst they were.

    Now do you have anything relevent to say or is it all just stupid insults and ad homs?

    It appears that I am the one who has gotten under your skin.
     
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    Well not anything that varied off the trendline started under Obama as your charts demonstrate.

    Try to convince the Mango Mussolini's sycophants of that though.
     
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    Nice graph too bad it only goes to 2015

    A few months ago the Office of Management and budget was posting up to the date minute stuff and I believe if we went there we would see deficits are increasing

    provided President Trump's monkeys haven't taken that department over to and fired everybody

    it's getting to the point where it is a constitutional crisis I'm serious Trump is a threat to national security

    Deficits are going up not down

    He alone could fix this and he's f****** it up
     
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    There's no trend to higher real wages.
     
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    Subway is still Subway even though the fat nerd pedophile is gone

    Otherwise now known as the other Jared
     
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    Oh Jeannette :blowkiss:

    How naive
    There is no political power in Ukraine not connected with organized crime or atrocities.
    Isn't the same true for Belarus, the 'stans, etc. and all those "Republics"?
    Which one not so?
    Makes one miss the ole USSR. One organized mafia. ;)


    Moi :oldman:
    Mother's Parents immigrated 1905 to :flagus:
    from Kiev, Russia!





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    What Ukraine needs is a Vladimir Putin. I feel bad for the people, they're really suffering and it keeps getting worse and worse. But then again so are we and the rest of the world. I give up! :roll:
     
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    Agreed. I was mixing employment figures in there somewhere.:)
     
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    My my what a childish rant this is. I didn't notice this little hissy fit yesterday. I really have gotten under your skin, haven't I?

    Not even worth responding to but just for the record, I think in your feverish mind you are mixing up my posts with others on this thread as I have not made claims nor used even one of the sources you listed in your unhinged tantrum.

    I used the well-respected journal, "The Nation" as one source and they referenced journalists and academics as disparate as Stephen Cohen and Ivan Katchanovski:

    "The darkest evidence of the far right’s involvement comes from Ivan Katchanovski, a professor at the University of Ottawa, who researched the events of February 20, 2014, “Maidan snipers massacre” when mysterious gunmen killed over 50 people. In addition to being the crucial turning point that led to Yanukovych’s abdication, the massacre is the climax of Winter on Fire. Katchanovski argues, with considerable forensic and other evidence, that far-right groups not only provoked fighting by shooting at the police but also carried out the murder of Maidan protesters in a false-flag operation. The Kiev government has been unable to provide a definitive explanation to what happened that day.

    The far right’s absence from Winter on Fire becomes even more glaring when compared with other documentaries about Ukraine. Maidan: Tonight Tomorrow, which received a positive review in The New Yorker, managed to include the far right, despite being less than nine minutes long, while Masks of the Revolution, a French film, focused solely on the role of ultranationalists during and after Maidan. (Ironically, the Ukrainian government attempted to prevent France from airing the latter film because they claimed it “creates misconception.”)

    Evidence, however, demonstrates that America’s role during the winter turmoil of 2013–14 was more quarterback than arbiter. The most telling example of this comes via an intercepted phone call between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Washington’s ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. During the call, Nuland and Pyatt sound like two senior managers hashing out corporate restructuring, with Nuland instructing Pyatt on which Ukrainian leader should be appointed prime minister, how to sideline the UN and the EU in negotiations, and the best strategy for making Ukraine land “jelly side up,” as an enthusiastic Pyatt described it.

    The call, which was leaked on February 4, 2014, was not the first time Nuland and Pyatt were deeply involved in Maidan. On December 11, 2013, the pair made a highly publicized tour of the barricades handing out cookies to protesters. Three days later, Senator John McCain flew in to speak to the crowds; McCain and Senator Chris Murphy shared the stage with Svoboda leader Tyahnybok. Both visits were filmed by Ukrainian and Western press, yet are absent from the documentary. Understandably, the involvement of senior US government officials working to land Ukraine “jelly side up” interfered with the “everyday people, teachers, doctors, street cleaners” narrative of Winter on Fire."

    I have also at various points referenced The New Yorker, Reuters, The Guardian, BBC and National Interest:

    "Before the start of full-fledged street violence on 19 January, western media were naively celebrating the "European values" of the movement – despite the fact that the xenophobic, homophobic, nationalist Svoboda party had, with even more extreme groups, been involved in Euromaidan – as the protests are known – almost from the beginning. They were using far-right slogans, fighting with the police, leading occupations of administrative buildings and dismantling monuments. Yet neither the incidents of torture, lynching and public humiliation of alleged thieves in the protest camp, nor the beatings of homeless and drunk people nearby, have made it into the international media."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/07/ukrainian-protesters-break-with-far-right

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-farright-insight-idUSBREA2H0K620140318

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/beware-ukraines-rising-right-sector-13558





    What really happened with the snipers who shot at police and protesters? BBC documentary:



    And yet you seem to be obsessing over where I am from and keep bringing it up. I think you should get over me and find some more healthy obsession. And you are the one trolling as you admitted in a post up thread when you stated:

    Just for the record, your smiley icons don't get under my skin, they make you look idiotic and a little slow mentally.
     
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    Oh , no, by no means you get under my skin, takes more than that. So 3rd grade:))!
     
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    Well, one is a Russian link, so that can be dismissed.....the others seem like documentaries.....so no real raw footage of horrific acts throughout the country like I asked for??..nice try at cheap propaganda.

    Keep picking your nose, it suits your personality:)).

    False information warfare at its finest....LOL.
     
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    So, as I thought, you didn't read any of the links and can't offer any intelligent commentary just more trolling with stupid insults and ad homs.

    Trolling at it's most infantile and boring........

    Waste of time. And the picking nose emo was a reference to Patrick who much like you cannot carry on an intelligent conversation....but thinks repeating socially retarded functions is funny.
     
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    Claiming that Ukraine is being ran by neo Nazis based on them Supporting the revolution of 2014 is like claiming the US is being ran white supremacists because some of them tend to support trump. Any real American would agree.

    Also, showing pictures of neo Nazis gatherings in Ukraine is not any less stupid - Ukraine and the USA have freedom of speech and peaceful assembly laws. Just because someone is a neo Nazi or a white supremacist doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech. Ukrainian police can’t just arrest people for their political views - it would become just like Russia. American White supremacists have their rights to freedom of speech and assembly which they sometimes exercise, just like neo Nazis in Ukraine.
    Just because these people exist - doesn’t mean they are literally in charge of the countries where they live.

    That’s why Americans generally never bring up neo Nazis to a debate about Ukraine or pretty much any other country - they exist pretty much everywhere. And that’s how you can easily spot a russian troll, or even worse - someone with so little IQ that they swallow russian propaganda whole without using any critical thinking skills.

    Russians are the only ones bringing up neo Nazis to a debate because Pootin made them the spooky men. It’s a hot topic issue to them, just like racism to Americans. I find that ironic though - fascist Russia being spooked by tales of neo Nazis in neighboring countries and totally ignoring own slide into fascist dictatorship.
     
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    Well yes I read the links.....but that's not what I asked for if you read my past post....OK, I asked for raw video footage, of so called violations and "concentration camp" like abuses like one of your video clips suggested....you didn't provide it. Those so called clips are really nothing new....and theres many cases of "Nazis" in Europe and elsewhere. I can probably post several video clips of Russki neo Nazis doing their bit of ethnic cleansing in Crimea, denying Tatars, Ukrainians, their language and culture....but I will hazard a guess here the trolls will consider this "Nazi" propaganda, western hoaxes, etc.

    So all in all....nice try....but I aint buying what you're trying to peddle....its BS.
     
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    Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
    Five years after the Maidan uprising, anti-Semitism and fascist-inflected ultranationalism are rampant.


    Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

    These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

    Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march.

    A NEO-NAZI BATTALION IN THE HEART OF EUROPE

    “Volunteer Ukrainian Unit Includes Nazis.”—USA Today, March 10, 2015

    The DC establishment’s standard defense of Kiev is to point out that Ukraine’s far right has a smaller percentage of seats in the parliament than their counterparts in places like France. That’s a spurious argument: What Ukraine’s far right lacks in polls numbers, it makes up for with things Marine Le Pen could only dream of—paramilitary units and free rein on the streets.

    Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.

    In the fall of 2014, Azov—which is accused of human-rights abuses, including torture, by Human Rights Watch and the United Nations—was incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard.

    While the group officially denies any neo-Nazi connections, Azov’s nature has been confirmed by multiple Western outlets: The New York Times called the battalion “openly neo-Nazi,” while USA Today, The Daily Beast, The Telegraph, and Haaretz documented group members’ proclivity for swastikas, salutes, and other Nazi symbols, and individual fighters have also acknowledged being neo-Nazis.

    In January 2018, Azov rolled out its National Druzhina street patrol unit whose members swore personal fealty to Biletsky and pledged to “restore Ukrainian order” to the streets. The Druzhina quickly distinguished itself by carrying out pogroms against the Roma and LGBT organizations and storming a municipal council. Earlier this year, Kiev announced the neo-Nazi unit will be monitoring polls in next month’s presidential election.

    (Azov isn’t the only far-right formation to get Western affirmation. In December 2014, Amnesty International accused the Dnipro-1 battalion of potential war crimes, including “using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare.” Six months later, Senator John McCain visited and praised the battalion.)

    FAR RIGHT TIES TO GOVERNMENT

    “Ukrainian police declare admiration for Nazi collaborators”—RFE, February 13, 2019

    Speaker of Parliament Andriy Parubiy cofounded and led two neo-Nazi organizations: the Social-National Party of Ukraine (later renamed Svoboda), and Patriot of Ukraine, whose members would eventually form the core of Azov.

    Although Parubiy left the far right in the early 2000’s, he hasn’t rejected his past. When asked about it in a 2016 interview, Parubiy replied that his “values” haven’t changed. Parubiy, whose autobiography shows him marching with the neo-Nazi wolfsangel symbol used by Aryan Nations, regularly meets with Washington think tanks and politicians; his neo-Nazi background is ignored or outright denied.

    The deputy minister of the Interior—which controls the National Police—is Vadim Troyan, a veteran of Azov and Patriot of Ukraine. In 2014, when Troyan was being considered for police chief of Kiev, Ukrainian Jewish leaders were appalled by his neo-Nazi background. Today, he’s deputy of the department running US-trained law enforcement in the entire nation.

    Earlier this month, RFE reported on National Police leadership admiring Stepan Bandera—a Nazi collaborator and Fascist whose troops participated in the Holocaust—on social media.

    The fact that Ukraine’s police is peppered with far-right supporters explains why neo-Nazis operate with impunity on the streets.

    STATE-SPONSORED GLORIFICATION OF NAZI COLLABORATORS

    “Ukrainian extremists celebrate Ukrainian Nazi SS divisions…in the middle of a major Ukrainian city”—Anti-Defamation League Director of European Affairs, April 28, 2018

    It’s not just the military and street gangs: Ukraine’s far right has successfully hijacked the post-Maidan government to impose an intolerant and ultranationalist culture over the land.

    In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed legislation making two WWII paramilitaries—the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)—heroes of Ukraine, and made it a criminal offense to deny their heroism. The OUN had collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust, while the UPA slaughtered thousands of Jews and 70,000-100,000 Poles on their own volition.

    The government-funded Ukrainian Institute of National Memory is institutionalizing the whitewashing of Nazi collaborators. Last summer, the Ukrainian parliament featured an exhibit commemorating the OUN’s 1941 proclamation of cooperation with the Third Reich (imagine the French government installing an exhibit celebrating the Vichy state!).

    Torchlight marches in honor of OUN/UPA leaders like Roman Shukhevych (a commander in a Third Reich auxiliary battalion) are a regular feature of the new Ukraine. The recuperation even extends to SS Galichina, a Ukrainian division of the Waffen-SS; the director of the Institute of National Memory proclaimed that the SS fighters were “war victims.” The government’s embrace of Bandera is not only deplorable, but also extremely divisive, considering the OUN/UPA are reviled in eastern Ukraine.

    Predictably, the celebration of Nazi collaborators has accompanied a rise in outright anti-Semitism.

    “Jews Out!” chanted thousands during a January 2017 march honoring OUN leader Bandera. (The next day the police denied hearing anything anti-Semitic.) That summer, a three-day festival celebrating the Nazi collaborator Shukhevych capped off with the firebombing of a synagogue. In November 2017, RFE reported Nazi salutes as 20,000 marched in honor of the UPA. And last April, hundreds marched in L’viv with coordinated Nazi salutes honoring SS Galichina; the march was promoted by the L’viv regional government.

    BOOK BANS

    “No state should be allowed to interfere in the writing of history.”—British historian Antony Beevor, after his award-winning book was banned in Ukraine, The Telegraph, January 23, 2018

    Ukraine’s State Committee for Television and Radio Broadcasting is enforcing the glorification of Ukraine’s new heroes by banning “anti-Ukrainian” literature that goes against the government narrative. This ideological censorship includes acclaimed books by Western authors.

    In January 2018, Ukraine made international headlines by banning Stalingrad by award-winning British historian Antony Beevor because of a single paragraph about a Ukrainian unit massacring 90 Jewish children during World War II. In December, Kiev banned The Book Thieves by Swedish author Anders Rydell (which, ironically, is about the Nazis’ suppression of literature) because he mentioned troops loyal to Symon Petliura (an early 20th-century nationalist leader) had slaughtered Jews.

    This month, the Ukrainian embassy in Washington exported this intolerance to America by brazenly demanding the United States ban a Russian movie from American theaters. Apparently, the billions Washington invested in promoting democracy in Ukraine have failed to teach Kiev basic concepts of free speech.

    ANTI-SEMITISM

    “I’m telling you one more time—go to hell, *****. The Ukrainian people have had it to here with you.”—Security services reserve general Vasily Vovk, May 11, 2017

    Unsurprisingly, government-led glorification of Holocaust perpetrators was a green light for other forms of anti-Semitism. The past three years saw an explosion of swastikas and SS runes on city streets, death threats, and vandalism of Holocaust memorials, Jewish centers, cemeteries, tombs, and places of worship, all of which led Israel to take the unusual step of publicly urging Kiev to address the epidemic.

    Public officials make anti-Semitic threats with no repercussions. These include: a security services general promising to eliminate the zhidi (a slur equivalent to ‘*****’); a parliament deputy going off on an anti-Semitic rant on television; a far-right politician lamenting Hitler didn’t finish off the Jews; and an ultranationalist leader vowing to cleanse Odessa of zhidi.

    Last year, the Israeli government’s annual report on anti-Semitism heavily featured Ukraine, which had more incidents than all post-Soviet states combined.

    ROMA POGROMS

    “‘They wanted to kill us’: masked neo-fascists strike fear into Ukraine’s Roma.” —The Guardian, August 27, 2018

    Ukraine’s far right has resisted carrying out outright attacks on Jews; other vulnerable groups haven’t been so lucky.

    Last spring, a lethal wave of anti-Roma pogroms swept through Ukraine, with at least six attacks in two months. Footage from the pogroms evokes the 1930s: Armed thugs attack women and children while razing their camps. At least one man was killed, while others, including a child, were stabbed.

    Two gangs behind the attacks—C14 and the National Druzhina—felt comfortable enough to proudly post pogrom videos on social media. That’s not surprising, considering that the National Druzhina is part of Azov, while the neo-Nazi C14 receives government funding for “educational” programs. Last October, C14 leader Serhiy Bondar was welcomed at America House Kyiv, a center run by the US government.

    LGBT AND WOMEN’S-RIGHTS GROUPS

    “‘It’s even worse than before’: How the ‘Revolution of Dignity’ Failed LGBT Ukrainians.”—RFE, November 21, 2018

    In 2016, after pressure from the US Congress, the Kiev government began providing security for the annual Kiev Pride parade. However, this increasingly looks like a Potemkin affair: two hours of protection, with widespread attacks on LGBT individuals and gatherings during the rest of the year. Nationalist groups have targeted LGBT meetings with impunity, going so far as to shut down an event hosted by Amnesty International as well as assault a Western journalist at a transgender rights rally. Women’s-rights marches have also been targeted, including brazen attacks in March.

    ATTACKS ON PRESS

    “The Committee to Protect Journalists condemns a Ukrainian law enforcement raid at the Kiev offices of Media Holding Vesti…more than a dozen masked officers ripped open doors with crowbars, seized property, and fired tear gas in the offices.”—The Committee to Protect Journalists, February 9, 2018

    In May 2016, Myrotvorets, an ultranationalist website with links to the government, published the personal data of thousands of journalists who had obtained accreditation from Russia-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine. Myrotvorets labeled the journalists “terrorist collaborators.”

    A government-tied website declaring open season on journalists would be dangerous anywhere, but it is especially so in Ukraine, which has a disturbing track record of journalist assassinations. This includes Oles Buzina, gunned down in 2015, and Pavel Sheremet, assassinated by car bomb a year later.

    The Myrotvorets doxing was denounced by Western reporters, the Committee to Protect Journalists, and ambassadors from the G7 nations. In response, Kiev officials, including Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, praised the site: “This is your choice to cooperate with occupying forces,” Avakov told journalists, while posting “I Support Myrotvorets” on Facebook. Myrotvorets remains operational today.

    LANGUAGE LAWS

    “[Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk] also made a personal appeal to Russian-speaking Ukrainians, pledging to support…a special status to the Russian language.”—US Secretary of State John Kerry, April 24, 2014

    Ukraine is extraordinarily multilingual: In addition to the millions of Russian-speaking eastern Ukrainians, there are areas where Hungarian, Romanian, and other tongues are prevalent. These languages were protected by a 2012 regional-language law.

    The post-Maidan government alarmed Russian-speaking Ukrainians by attempting to annul that law. The US State Department and Secretary of State John Kerry sought to assuage fears in 2014 by pledging that Kiev would protect the status of Russian. Those promises came to naught.

    A 2017 law mandated that secondary education be conducted strictly in Ukrainian, which infuriated Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Greece. Several regions passed legislation banning the use of Russian in public life. Quotas enforce Ukrainian usage on TV and radio. (This would be akin to Washington forcing Spanish-language media to broadcast mostly in English.)

    And in February 2018, Ukraine’s supreme court struck down the 2012 regional language law—the one Kerry promised eastern Ukrainians would stay in effect.

    Currently, Kiev is preparing to pass a draconian law that would mandate the use of Ukrainian in most aspects of public life. It’s another example of Kiev alienating millions of its own citizens, while claiming to embrace Western values.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
     
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    https://m.newsru.com/russia/18apr2019/rsfreiting.html

    I guess you are reading this junk simply because it’s the only thing you are allowed to read.
     
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    Some people prefer reality to propaganda Dimon, and here is some of it that you're not going to find on the MSM. Watch and weep, because those who weren't spared the last time will not be spared this time either. The parade is to honor Bandera whose organization committed crimes that shocked even the hardened Germans.

    The mega criminal Kolomoisky who supports many of the Nazi militia's told Israel not to worry, and that he has them under control. Let's see for how long though. Poroshenko didn't dare appear in the parade, for fear they would rip him to bits.

     
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    Wow.....information warfare at its finest.....and by the same token moskali henchmen rounding up Tatars in Crimea.....driving out ukrainan language schools, and conducting their own version of "Rooski mir" in the DPR.

    I'll guess that doesnt make the news at RT.

    The vatnik love affair with all things NAZI is like a "krokodil" addiction:roflol:!
     
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    Whatever you say, troll!
    In Ukraine political power changes hands frequently, an indication of real democracy. In Russia everyone knows who runs and will run the country.
    You licking the boots of the ruling class in Russia just makes the problem grow worse for average citizens of that country.
    Your Nazi claims cant withstand basic democracy test - where can you know for sure who is going to run the country after elections. In Russia or Ukraine?
     
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    Jenny.....where's those videos of all the protests in Ukraine??....Kharkiv, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk?

    Also what about those Ukrainian refugees in Poland.....around 3 million you said? Where's the pics?
     
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    I thought you were the Ukraine expert??

    They're walking right down the main drag in Kiev....from Bessarabsky Market to Independence Square/Maiden on Khreschatyk St.
     
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    No....apparently that distinction goes to Jenny....that account made the claims....provide the evidence.

    But seeing as how you've stuck your nose in....maybe you can provide the unbiased, credible, first person raw footage?
     

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