http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html Perspective one, Father, selling CDs and DVDs
http://www.allenbwest.com/matt-palu...t-you-to-know-about-louisiana-shooting-victim Perspective two, Career criminal, and just threatened someone with a gun. This incident is another example...IMHO of how the media uses the power of the press to vilify cops and extol the virtues of the criminal.
This guy was obviously not a good contributing member of society. Does he deserve to be shot? Maybe not, but the next Dali Lama, he certainly was not. And resisting/confronting/aggravating officers was likely a well known phenomenon to Mr. Sterling. He will criminalize no more.
I really don't know at this point if the cops were justified in using deadly force but for most of the main stream media that great father who was simply selling CDs was murdered there by feeding the narrative being used by those who swallow their garbage whole.
I can't say much since to really know what happened, one would have to be there when it happened, however, the media does not present these incidents reliably many times, and it is very hard to know what really happened in any case.
Did the two officers read thus guts rap sheet before they shot him? No, you say. Does having such a rap sheet alone justify the police to shoot him? No you say! I agree. Did Sperling reach for a gun allegedly that was in his pocket? You don,t know! I don,t dither! Did Sperling pull out his gun and point it at the officers? You don,t know. Does having such a rap sheet automatically justify the shooting of Sperling? No you say! Ok I agree that should not automatically mean that someone should be shot. So why did you post that rap sheet again?
An extensive Criminal history does weigh in favor of the Officers having acted in good faith as far as testimony that the suspect may have made threatening moves or non compliance or not following the Officer's Instructions, prompting the use of Lethal force by said Officers.
The problem with such precedent being set, is that deadly force for noncompliance will be justified even when the noncompliance does not pose a threat to anyone. Not responding fast enough will eventually be treated as noncompliance and be met with deadly force.
We had this problem with Undercover NYPD Narcotics Detectives getting shot by Uniformed Officers in regular traffic stops, There is a specific formula to follow when you get pulled over, I follow it and have been successful, if you have CCW and are Armed, it is best to follow these steps, otherwise the risk is exponential.
Quite possible and highly likely the cops already knew this guy to be trouble plus he was accused of brandishing a gun. Simple logic you just have somehow missed.
How many Felony stops have you done ? how many routine traffic stops ? Some LEOs are absolutely terrified and an adrenaline rush does not help either, and if the finger is on the trigger, you have the recipe for disaster soup waiting to be spilled into someones lap. The way I like best is, you see a suspect vehicle, you flip on the strobes and hit the klaxon a few times and pull over the vehicle in a safe wide area, then wait at a safe distance, never pull up too close, better is four car lengths or so. Call for backup and wait a bit for backup to arrive, this allows the Adrenaline to dissipate for both sides, when backup arrives, now you have witnesses and help, and they can take over and process the people in the car. Being hasty to act causes too much trouble, being patient can prevent many tragic events.
Reading Comprehension issues, yes you say? I can see that. Go back and reread my posts and then post a relevant comment. I ain't splaining it to you if you don't get it.
Very nice. And you share this with me why? This thread is about Alton Sterling is it not? There was no vehicle stop involved that I'm aware of. You may want to reread this thread as it seems we are in agreement until you got sidetracked.
You may not fathom this, I have worked as a LEO and have been prudent in all my actions and respected people's Rights, even Criminals, so I have a different view of how to do things and how I see such matters.
What I cannot fathom is why your favorite scenario would be to pull up within four car lengths of a pedestrian with your lights and siren flashing and wait for backup. Do you really believe that man would still be standing there when backup arrives
Yes, because most normal people when told to pull over their vehicle do so and follow instructions, it has nothing to do with what anyone believes, it has been what I have done as a LEO, and it is a great way to avoid getting shot or having to shoot anyone.
` Only IF the officer had "prior knowledge" of the suspects rap sheet which in any case, is highly unlikely. Prior arrests only cannot be used in court. Evidence about prior criminal convictions is generally not admissible in court, unless it is directly related to the current charge.
I,would agree but in this case the suspect,was not in a vehicle thereby making your point comically moot.
If people dying is comical in your opinion, I wonder why you bother with this thread at all, you have a disgusting attitude towards life. I have spent my life helping people, perhaps you have spent yours laughing at them.
My opinion of comedy is your espoused perfect solution to this particular case. When the day comes pedestrians begin wearing directional signals on their butt I'll rethink that. Till then I'm laughing at no one but you.
Why was the information shared? I thought it was to share another perspective (not covered elsewhere?) of one of the individuals involved in a law enforcement encounter. Though each event must be judged on the facts, the past is often an indicator of things to come. Who could have guessed that this man, given his history, would be involved in suspected criminal activity?
None of which changes the fact that police officers routinely use deadly force as a first response, even when they do not give the suspect time to actually comply with the orders. The black individual shot in Wal-Mart for carrying a pellet gun is a prime example, as police officers were ordering him to drop the firearm, while in the same breath shooting him on sight. None of them were ever reprimanded.
Well, in all fairness, We were not there, however, I can tell of an instance when I was there, We were at the indoor range / gun store, a young Hispanic guy comes in and pulls a gun on the one guy behind the counter, Mel, and yells, give me the cacacasshhhhh !!! He does not see a bunch of us sitting farther back in the darker unlit part of the store on couches around the pot belly coal stove drinking coffee and the customary jelly doughnuts. Mel says, look behind you ! the guy doesn't, finally he does, he sees 11 guys pointing guns at him, even two PONY Cops, 4 NYPD Detectives, 1 FBI, 1 Housing Cop, 1 State P.D. some range members.... We did not shoot the guy oddly enough, afterwards, it turned out to be a very realistic looking pellet gun, it looked like a 1911, the fight over the collar / arrest was spectacular, the PONY Cops won the coin toss, the coin toss was my idea / contribution..... Just for the record, when a suspect has a gun in his hand, even a fake gun or pellet gun, it is hard to know if it is a real firearm or not, the guy is pretty much dead. I know I am not letting anyone else shoot me again, if I can help it.
thanks for the info. Is it true that this person was 37 years of age when he was shot? If so, he would have been 17 years old when he got his first conviction of Aggravated Battery in 1996. Most of his past criminal records show that he was an assaulter. He had 9 previous 'assault and/or battery' charges, 3 burglary/property charges, 3 drug charges, 2 negligent charges making the total number of charges 17. His most previous charges dealt with drugs and failure to register as a criminal. He is a husband and father of 5 children and still married with no current domestic violence charges within his last 5 years. His last domestic abuse was in 2008, 8 years ago, which shows that he was probably trying to clean up his past ways. Has his current wife or children ever reported him drunk and/or abusive at home?
