U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    What majority do you find would be capable of that?
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I suspect 50+1 should be enough... there's no filibuster requirement to add a SCOTUS... even dipstick Manchin would realize you don't need a filibuster to remove one...

    The House speaks for itself...
     
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    She consented to having sex.
    She did NOT consent to get pregnant(that is NOT what gets women pregnant, they can "consent" to pregnacy a thousand times and never get pregnant...it can't be done).

    And IF she consents to the possible consequences one of those is gestation and one is ABORTION....HER CHOICE.


    :) The gratuitous insult...a SURE sign you know you have no argument :)

    How does a woman blame someone else for getting pregnant?

    What TF does that have to do with her right to not be harmed ????




    No, in your example they only consented to getting drunk...nobody "consents " to have an accident...:roll:



    ...and the consequences of having sex are to gestate or not...

    :) So you like being wrong because you do it all the time ?? What?







    NO, you insist that EVERY consent means consent to everything ensuing..

    Now you're trying to wriggle out of it:)

    No, we weren't....everytime you're stumped you try to move the goal posts..


    ...and obviously you have never consulted a lawyer on that subject.




    That's a cop out....a way to say " pregnancy doesn't really harm women"....which is false.

    Life is harmful so if someone is trying to kill you you don't fight back? Afterall , "life" is harmful....shrug..

    The POINT is :"You have never shown your scientific PROOF that pregnancy does not harm women.""...AS YOU CLAIMED.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes .. accidental pregnany being the main one.. condoms can break .. you never know. In which case the responsible thing to do is get an abortion pill ASAP ..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    definitely not .. but we are talking abortion - and there is no "Me"

    How can you have a person - a "Me" without a brain ?
     
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    Nothing was "stolen". And you aren't going to destroy the Supreme Court because it will not put it's stamp of approval on temper tantrums.

    If the Left wants a national standard for Abortion they are more than welcome to pass one through Congress and have Biden sign it into law.

    Who is dumb enough to think that the better route is to stack the court until you get a majority to impose it by judicial fiat? If you have enough votes to stack the Court, and destroy it, because the next GOP majority will either undo what you did, or add twice the number you added. Why not just pass the national law that you think should be in place?

    Texas' Abortion Ban Will Remain In Place Until at Least December
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    Texas babies safe from the extremists among the Left who want to kill them, for now.
     
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  7. Bluesguy

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    Tell it to Fresh she is the one claiming you can.
     
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    You the one claim zygote is a person as well -- You explain how zygote can be a person - when doesn't have brain.

    Or did you think the zygote had a brain :)
     
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    Couldn't be more stupid or misogynistic.....with all the problems, like Texas can't supply power during snowstorms and the economy and pandemics, etc. that TexASS politicians go after women to make their lives harder.....like they haven't anything better to do...AND take great joy in doing it..

    Don't Texans expect more from their politicians than to waste time on this when there are important things to take care of ??

    It IS just a ploy to get get stupid One-issue voters to vote them into office.....
     
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    Can you provide a photo of one of those "babies" that have been "saved" ???
     
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    As I said, the DOJ bypassing the COMPLETELY USELESS 5th circuit, so they can schedule all the oral arguments they want to...
     
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    And you have offered NOTHING in rebuttal to the fact that the new human being, the new person is created at conception while I have posted the science and the medical textbooks which clear state it is so.
     
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    I have offered something - the Neurological Perspective - one of the main Scienctific Perspectives - if not "The Main" - least among scientists - Philosophers - Bioethicists - So called "subject matter experts"

    You claim a person can exist without a brain - Neurological perspective says a functional brain must exist -- and defines what is meant by significant brain function.

    You want to claim a Person exists when not a single brain cell exists -- nor any other human cell that is part of the structure in the DNA blueprint - thats fine ... but running around crying "Its a Fact" is not proof of claim. nor is the fact that the zygote is a single human cell prove your claim -- the only proof you have offered so far.

    It is you that must Rebut the Neurological approach .. explain how a Person can exist - and the other 3 Scientific perspectives for that matter - - if you are claiming fact.
     
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    Points you didn't address:
    1. Nothing was "stolen". And you aren't going to destroy the Supreme Court because it will not put it's stamp of approval on temper tantrums.
    2. If the Left wants a national standard for Abortion they are more than welcome to pass one through Congress and have Biden sign it into law.
    3. If you have enough votes to stack the Court, and destroy it, why not just pass the national law that you think should be in place?
    Further, you included no link supporting your assertion that SCOTUS had agreed to let Dirtbag Garland bypass the 5th circuit and a search turned up no support for your claim.

    Oral arguments are scheduled for the week of 12/6 before the 5th Circuit Court.
     
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    Then there is the “conception versus implantation” debate

    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2005/05/implications-defining-when-woman-pregnant

    so if every conceptus is a “baby” what do you want to do with all those excess frozen embryos waiting at fertility clinics ?

    How many embryos are abandoned at one fertility clinic?

    Approximately one third of all cryopreserved embryos at Dr. Sweet’s clinic have been discarded or abandoned.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/feat...gle-growing-number-abandoned-embryos-n1040806
     
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    Oh geez, no there is not. When the life is created is not dependent on implantation and the beginning of pregnancy.


    I don't believe we should be creating masses of human beings only to be discarded later.
     
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    So what happens when there is an ECTOPIC pregnancy?

    Are YOU demanding that the WOMAN must DIE because there is "new human being" inside of her that will KILL her if it NOT REMOVED?

    What happens if the EMBRYO FAILS to IMPLANT in the wall of the UTERUS?

    Are YOU going to charge the WOMAN with MANSLAUGHTER of a "new human being"?

    What happens if the WOMAN has a MISCARRIAGE?

    Are YOU going to charge the WOMAN with the MURDER of a "new human being"?

    Why are YOU having such a PROBLEM addressing the DEATH and/or CRIMES that YOU want to IMPOSE on WOMEN?
     
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    Yes it is because without implantation it dies. Over 50% of fertilised eggs fail to implant in the natural course of events - are you going to save them too?

    BTW you did not answer the question about those frozen embryos
     
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    They will be requesting the SCOTUS bypass the 5th this coming week... I did have a link...

    Here it is again

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/texas-abortion-law-doj-will-ask-texas-to-block.html

    1. Seat was stolen
    2. No laws possible with Filibuster
    3. See #2
     
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    Another poster asked : ""Over 50% of fertilised eggs fail to implant in the natural course of events - are you going to save them too?""

    Well?

    Do you want to charge women with the crime of "creating masses of human beings only to be discarded later"" ???
     
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    No it wasn't. The Constitution grants the Senate the power to consult and confirm Judicial nominees. Obama didn't consult with the Senate on the nomination of Dirtbag Garland, so they were under zero obligation to approve the selection.
    It takes 50 votes plus Kamala to end the filibuster rule. You have 50 seats. If you won't use your ability to break it for an abortion law, why use it to instead to stack, and destroy, the Court?
     
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    Damn, that's actually funny.... I wasn't having a great Fantasy Football day, but that put a smile on my face..
     
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    How on earth would you do that? Nature takes it's course............
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Another poster asked : ""Over 50% of fertilised eggs fail to implant in the natural course of events - are you going to save them too?""

    Well?

    Do you want to charge women with the crime of "creating masses of human beings only to be discarded later"" ???


    Hey , aren't they ALIVE ?Aren't they BABIES ? People ?!!??!
     
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    So…….if it is “natural” it is OK but if a woman decides it isn’t?
    Now about those frozen Embryos all over the USA - estimated at one million

    https://www.elle.com/culture/a12445676/the-leftover-embryo-crisis/

    what should be done with them?
     
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