U.S. Navy’s Costliest Carrier Was Delivered Without Elevators to Lift Bombs

Yet another phrase often used by communist wannabees

 

Well for one the very existence of the Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant...

 

And that **** spends a considerable amount of its life grounded because corporations built a faulty product and then charge us double so they can fix it.

 

Eisenhower was a communist wannabe?

 

"

Detroit Army Arsenal
Part of U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command
Warren, Michigan

The plant floor in 1942.
Type TACOM
*Research, Development and Engineering Center
*Life Cycle Management Command.
Site information
Controlled by US Army Installation Management Command
Garrison information
Garrison US Army Garrison - Detroit Army Arsenal

Detroit Arsenal (DTA), formerly Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant (DATP) was the first manufacturing plant ever built for the mass production of tanks in the United States. Established in 1940 under Chrysler, this plant was owned by the U.S. government until 1996. It was designed by architect Albert Kahn. The building was designed originally as a "dual production facility, so that it could make armaments and be turned into peaceful production at war's end.[1] Notwithstanding its name, the 113-acre (0.46 km2) site was located in Warren, Michigan, Detroit's largest suburb."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Arsenal_(Warren,_Michigan)

….Next....

 

“This plant was owned by the US government until 1996”

Interesting that you deliberately ignored the next sentence, but lying and deliberately distorting facts is what Trump supporters do.

 

The topic is government producing its own weapons and Chrysler was a big part of the facility you used to prove it.

 

Chrysler was a contractor within the government owned facility.

Even if we don’t use that example, Springfield Armory was open well into the 20th Century.

 

I see...so you did not so much ignore the Chrysler part as much as.....actually you ignored it.

"After Springfield Armory – the United States' first armory (established under authority of General George Washington as a major arsenal early in the Revolutionary War) – was closed by the federal government in 1968,[3] Elmer C. Ballance began using the name "Springfield Armory" through his company (LH Manufacturing) dedicated to the first civilian production of the M14 rifle, calling it the M1A. Ballance began in San Antonio, Texas, and soon after moved to Devine, Texas, where the company gained momentum and popularity. In 1974, Ballance sold the company to the Reese family, who had a well-established production shop in Illinois and experience base. The company then expanded its market into pistols, including the M1911. After further success, the company began to branch into other types of firearms. The company, now run by Dennis Reese (formally along with his brother Tom Reese), manufactures and imports dozens of different firearms in many styles and models. A motto used by the company, "The First Name in American Firearms" (alternatively "The Oldest Name in American Firearms"), is an homage to the first U.S. national armory and namesake, the original Springfield Armory.[4][non-primary source needed] There is no other connection between the company and defunct federal armory other than its name. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory,_Inc.

Everything was made by the "Government" which di not yet exist in George Washingtons time.

 

Only double? LOL

 

True or false: 1968, when Springfield Armory was finally shut down, is long after the invention and widespread usage of cars.

 

Very true.

True or False...The Government contracts out every piece of equipment they use and does not have factories.

 

Bless you Joseph.

Never let the present catch up with the past, eh?

 

You're right in saying that carriers are the only real way of projecting force, but the give away in this admission is that the USA is, therefore, in the business of imperialism. Which should be obvious to anyone here but isn't. That's also why there are 700-900 US bases dotted around the world.

Nuclear weapons technologies are massively expensive things (when all the costs are considered), so destroying a nuclear powered aircraft carrier with a nuke is a for profit game.

The principal point I was making though is that destroying a system that costs in excess of $13 billion with a weapon that costs $1 or 2 million should highlight how crazy the Pentagon system is. This is no different to how some tribesman in a remote part of Afghanistan can destroy a relatively expensive US armoured vehicle ( a Bradley fighting vehicle costs $3.1 per unit) and the troops inside it with a IED using incredibly cheap components - probably less than hundreds of dollars.

It's institutionalised madness.

In the last analysis warfare is all about corporations - their owners and shareholders and hangers on (Pentagon, CIA, NSA, private contractors et al) - making vast sums of profit at the expense of citizens via the tax-system. Ultimately it's legally backed systemic theft from the poor to enrich the rich to make them even richer.

The tiny minority run rings around the vast majority and butt kick and snigger at them them every time they turn around trying to keep up (and not fall over through giddiness).

Finally, I wouldn't trust any politicians to call a halt to the crazy cost of war and weapon systems. It's what America's elite is fuelled on and the pols know their future is tied to that, so they're just the bought and paid for sales people beholden to the industrial-corporate-military-intelligence monstrosity that runs the USA

 

The article is less than 30 days old.

 

Wordy. Just sayin... Things cost what they do because congress is willing to fund it. The Pentagon is willing to spend the money because they actually are required by the funding bills to do so. The amount of money budgeted is reflective of the willingness of our military industrial vendors to satisfy the ever morphing wish list of procurement folks who don't know diddly about actual war fighting but love travel and bling and all those cool road shows they travel to.

Want to understand why a coffee machine costs $1.2M? Ask the retread that demanded that it brew coffee while dog fighting at 4.5 Gs. Want to know why the current troop transports are as expensive as they are? Ask why they thought that they should be capable of scaling a 48" barrier wall. Want to know why IEDs are still effective against them? Ask why the same retread didn't ask for additional under armor. Simple answers. It never occurred to them to ask. And since they failed to actually predict the future battle field, lots of folks died. Were horribly injured and maimed. Why? Because those who do the shopping aren't the same folks who do the fighting, and never will be. And those who do the requirements drafting are constantly in a battle with those who actually write the contracts because, wait for it... those who write the contracts aren't required to include the concerns of the war fighters.

All pretty simple stuff here. All wrapped tightly by reems, nay, truck loads of paper. Why? So you have to wade hip deep through it all to unwrap the malfeasance of it all.

 

How much are these things actually used as opposed to providing deterrance? I guess they weren't much use in Afghanistan or Iraq (maybe in the initial surge, I don't know). They haven't been used in the Syrian war afaik?

 

False: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Island_Arsenal

 

"Established as both an arsenal and a center for the manufacture of leather accoutrements and field gear, today it provides manufacturing, logistics, and base support services for the Armed Forces. The Arsenal is the only active U.S. Army foundry, and manufactures ordnance and equipment, including artillery, gun mounts, recoil mechanisms, small arms, aircraft weapons sub-systems, grenade launchers, weapons simulators, and a host of associated components.[4] Some of the Arsenal's most successful products include the M198 and M119 towed howitzers, and the M1A1 gun mount. About 250 military personnel and 6,000 civilians work there. The 2000 census population was 145."

Ayup...sounds like military to me.

 

Interesting, you've never heard of civilians working within the DoD before. So the problem is that you are massively so ignorant that you shouldn't even be commenting on this topic.

 

You're right...I'll stop now.

 

I'm just gonna say that troops don't get smacked and kicked out of the rack anymore at 1:30 a.m. to go perform KP duty to have breakfast ready at 5. Civilians do that now. The dread of pots and pans is gone for troops now. Some bases have more civilians working than active military.

Smart really with troops using their energy on more combative military skills that are more difficult to learn than pots and pans.

 

Do you think that Bloomberg works for the KGB?

 

Given it's positions on issues, could be.

I do know Russian propaganda is interesting though. The concept of spreading it fascinates me.

 

And these spares are made in China.