UK after leaving the EU.

Time to forget your holidays

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/06/ryanair-uk-flights-brexit-deal-wto

 

Before we joined the EU, I could afford to take them.

 

Ha ha, then it would appear you were one of the privileged.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-we-got-older-richer-and-fatter-2017240.html

 

40 years ago I had a job in a shop, factory at weekends, but was too young to drive, smoke or miss going to university.

 

I am 51 years old, is that old enough for you, to remember the Cod wars? Yes I do remember the Cold wars with Iceland.

The death of the British fishing fleet is NOT a result ove over fishing it IS a result of joinging the EEC/EU. And the Common Fisheries Policy. Come on then defeand if you can the "throw back" policy of the CFP. And come on defend, if you can that the policy that European fisherman can fish our waters to the detrimental of our fishing fleet has not effected our fisherman.

Overfishing is if you like a "red herring". If there is no fish of a certain spiecies, then that catch is reduced and the industry moves into a new species. Cod & Haddock may be replaces by another spicies in the nations favourites. Just like it was with Tunar 100 years ago.

The EU has got to give up any claims on our territorial waters for Brexit to be "real" and any "fake" claims by you or other pro-EU apologists must be disregarded for a real BREXIT to occur!

 

Brilliant strategy, fish a species till there are none left then move on to a new species.
Enjoy your dodo burger while stocks last....

 

Sure beats swimming around in the sea all day and night trying to count all the little fishes

 

If the EU falls apart...

There were jobs before the EU, there'll be jobs after, right?

 

Not so many in Brussels and Strasbourg I'm thinking.

 

A question for you Britbongs:

When leaving the EU, what kinds of agreements currently between Britain and the EU would you like to keep?

And what would you like to drop?

I may be wrong here, but it seems like most of the whole Brexit debate was regarding effective borders, and sovereignty, so will you try to keep being part of the common market, at the expense of having trade barriers with the rest of the world, or do you want free market with the rest of the world and the EU? Or is a more protectionist stance taken, with a few trade barriers on the EU, and a few more on the rest of the world?

 

That would be a very bad deal , indeed.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/25/wto-eu-uk-consumers-trade-deals

Rip us off, you mean?

Correction. As we will no longer be part of the EU, we cannot expect protection from the European Court of Justice.

We have no say.

What does that even mean?

 

Common market = no thanks.

It never worked for us. Our primary EU export = financial services and they just never got written into the Common market agreement. We got ripped off, in a massive style by the Single market. No protection for their goods, but they still protected against our services. And we paid billions for the privilege. They want bombing mate. Utter *********s all.

I want free trade with those countries who have sympathetic economies and protection against competitors.
So I'd like free trade with Romania and Poland, but not Germany or France.
We won't get that. But we will get free trade with countries like NZ and Oz and Canada. And some of our old commonwealth free trade agreements will come back.

Trade barriers we would like to add and subtract at our leisure. Micromanage for ourselves.
What they will be depends on current circumstances, and those change daily.

I'd like to drop the EU.
Happy to keep stuff like consumer rights. The right to credit card refunds and so on.

I'd like to get rid of EU green policies. Agricultural policies. Fishing policies. EU spending. EU tribute and membership fees. I'd like to get rid of that surplus layer of bureaucracy.
If it makes so much money for everyone, they don't need to paid. It's in their own interests to do it for free. Lol. "if".

No more open borders either. Mass migration must end and even be reversed as far as possible.

I want out of their mutual defence pact. Happy to still collude with Interpol.
No primacy for their international courts. Good bye. Good riddance.
Anti democratic scum.

I want their flag taken down.
How dare they fly their battle standards on our shores. Burn it.

And then I want prosecutions mate. I want those who joined us to the EU illegally to go down for a long long time. Forever.
I want their paid weasels in our govt removed from office. Removed from public life. To get the traitors reward for selling us out.
I want revenge.

WTO is excellent. I'll be very pleased to continue using it if the EU is still agreeable to that.

 

How about travel?

Surely, restrictions on EU travel to Britain, will lead to EU restrictions on British travel to EU countries.

Closing down borders will lead to the Spanish closing down their borders to Gibraltar. Or maybe some agreement with Spain can be reached, so Brits and Spaniards can still freely travel to each other.

 

Spanish close their border to Gib willy nilly. EU never made any difference there.
Prior to the EU I travelled Europe extensively. So no trouble there either.

Also loads of us emigrated to Spain before the EU. Our migrants bring much money with them. They are welcomed everywhere.
We still want as many rich migrants and tourists as you've got EU. London is for sale.

 

85% of the world isn't in the EU, EU migrants make up just as much as the workforce as non EU migrants; lets not forget about all the people from Africa and Latin America who work with me in Construction too but are forgotten about.
If you listened to the EU, it's all Polish and Irish people working here, but in reality, it's also people from Africa.
What about non EU migration? The news doesn't reflect reality when talking about EU migrants having to do all the work Brits don't want to do. It's a fabrication biased towards the EU.

Kunta be free, the master says we can't have a better deal outside the EU.
The master lies to us to scare us.

 

Yes, non EU migrants don't make up 50% of the worlds population.
50% of our immigration comes from one small part of the world.

And the standards for migration are very much laxer for EU migrants.
Question is.. why should they be?

Why should I favour a random European above my own Japanese wife?

 

Verhofstadt slams May for her opportune election letting her know it will make no difference to how Brexit works out and makes clear that unless some transitional arrangement is made Britons will have no more right to travel, holiday or study in the EU than people from Moscow or Mumbai.

He also strongly counteracts suggestions made by Davis that two EU Agencies, Banking and Medicine will remain in the EU. Definitely not.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rab-slammed-guy-verhofstadt-brexit-negotiator.

He says many leaders in Europe believe Brexit was a Tory cat fight gone wrong and this election is also motivated by 'political opportunism of the party in Government rather than by the people they represent'.

He sounds well pissed off with her and says the prospect of things going well does not look good. He will be one of the chief negotiators.

link above

 

Macron as President is likely to make the Brexit negotiations harder for Britain to secure a good trade deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ite-emmanuel-macron-hard-bargain-brexit-talks

 

Bearing in mind the number of Spaniards who daily work in Gibraltar, Spain will never close the border crossing.

 

Seems fair.

Rights I don't want or need are unlikely to be missed.

This bloke is 100% ignorable.
If he is negotiating on behalf of the EU, then negotiations are pointless.
But we knew that.

We had our negotiation prior to the referendum.
That was Verostadts big chance.
We voted on the results of it. Too late for him to try and negotiate with us now.
Didn't take us seriously and still doesn't I expect.

 

Well obviously you are entitled to your opinion but that is all that is, your opinion, your wants. It isn't going to be Verostadts who is going to suffer but economically all the people of Britain - with the exception of the 0.01% of course. The people who are going to suffer in particular are the young - to some extent their own fault for low voting. Only 37% of the electorate of Britain voted for Brexit and even then there was no 'white paper', no this will be a hard brexit. Nothing had even been costed by the lead Brexiteers. To them it was only a game, hoping to improve their political position. A game voted for most by the retired that is going to cost the young of Britain the most. All so they could have some imagination about a return of a Great Britain, though in this instance, it is of course England trying to at think it is big or 'Great again' by forcing the smaller nations of Britain to it's will. - so sad.

 

The people from Britain working in Brussels are going to suffer economically.
Boo hoo. How I weep for them all.

No one voted to join the EU. No one.
Not one single person.

It is a disgrace that we have had to vote to leave so very many times.
I can't wait for these people to be sacked.
Ohh I'm going to be sooo poor now, without you to spend my money for me.

Die leeches. Parasites make me weak, not strong.


An EU referendum was promised by the winning party in every election campaign of my adult life. The social injustice of it is simply staggering in it's implication. It brings parliament into disrepute.

 

And we'd do well to remember that had it not been for Nigel Farage we wouldn't have had the referendum. The ruling elite are traitors.

 

Oh I see you believe that MSP's and their assistants are the only people who are going to lose opportunities. You do not think about all the people who work in other EU countries on other things than the EU Parliament, the people who move to the EU to study. To you the only thing there is in Europe is a Parliament which getting rid of you believe will give the health service the money it needs rather that the privatisation it is getting and you believe that leaving the EU will make Britain free of refugees. You are so keen on this that by your own admission you do not care if British people cannot travel, holiday, work or even get medical treatment in the EU. All you want is an isolated Island at the behest of the US.

You do not care that leaving the EU is likely to have a massive effect on situations like Education and Research in this country without the free transfer of people. Sure you believe English people are so smart they will manage everything much better on their own.

You do not mind that Britain will lose its place as being European Banking Authority and European Medicine Agency. No fine with you. London can go down the drain and with it the rest of England. You forget that when Thatcher used North Sea oil to fund permanent unemployment rather than investing in our Industries and manufacturing, she put all her hopes on Banking and medicines - and that, which involves Britain's change from the 'poor man of Europe' to one of the richest countries in the world will all be lost. Nope not important to you. England can go to hell as long as it goes there on its own....or maybe a few wars, do you like them? Always a useful thing when things get bad.

Oh you think you are the US now. Ah well. People did not vote for the EU that is true. However they did vote for the EEC which you are demanding we leave in a hard Brexit.

Imagination going overtime.

Again how sad that the tiny majority of those who voted to leave the EU were people who believed that the only place people worked in Europe was in the Parliament.

 

I hope you are right. The best position for post-exit Britain will be to have a strong economic neighbour and trading partner.

I am very frustrated at all this talk about who will do better than who, like it is a playground competition. EU will benefit from a successful GB and GB will benefit from a successful EU. Lets be adults here.