UK after leaving the EU.

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by william walker, Oct 13, 2016.

  1. WeekDayCross

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    Where did I specifically mention trains ? I said government and utilities meaning overall performance in everything they do. Maybe also you let us know the secret on how to avoid traffic congestion.
     
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    My secret is to travel at different times to other people.
    Other people move close to work. I've seen that one work well.
    More controversial ones might include, lowering immigration or working from home. Reduced taxes for out of town business parks and lesser populated area's. Seeking work locally. Flexitime might help if your employer is sympathetic.

    You know, I'm really sorry that you experience rush hour. But I do too.
    So no reason I should pay towards your travel costs. I have my own to pay for.



    Trains was the example you offered. I went with it.
    As a general rule all government services are provided better in the private sector. There will be exceptions to that rule, but it is the norm.
    I can more easily provide examples of superior private sector operations than I can public.
    The reverse is almost unheard of.

    The best schools, universities and hospitals.. private.
    The best police? Private. Best car makers, private. Best airlines, private.
    And so on.

    By and large monopolies suck for the rest of us. By and large state sector provided services are second rate.
     
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    The best armies ? Private ?

    Don't assume I experience traffic congestion, I don't.

    It's a good idea that people stay close to their work. It would be even better if they made their immediate environment the best place on earth to be instead of going on holiday and trashing the previously unspoilt.

    As regards Private Employers, I would point out that least the Public Sector doesn't get rid of it's labour force in order to benefit from cheaper ones overseas. You're more like to get a job for life, buy a house and receive a pension which you can't do when you work for a private company on a zero hours contract
     
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    Yes, so armies I'm going to add to my exception to the rule.
    It's certainly a good example of one I can comfortably make the case for.
    Even so the Ghurka's are a crack mercenary unit on par with any domestic one.
    Famously, Cromwell's private army was vastly superior to the state army.
    So even exceptions to the rule, have exceptions to the rule.
    The bulk of the British empire was won privately. The worlds most powerful and successful army was mercenary. The East India Company conquered India.
    Drake was a privateer. So was Raleigh.

    So even though I can make the case for the army, I can also make a good case against it too.



    The public sector is just about the single biggest employer of overseas workers in the land.
    Think NHS.

    When you get a job for life, and a house and a pension, a guy who can't afford any of that for himself is part paying for it.
    My private sector poverty is increased with every perk, every day off, every paid holiday, with every pay rise and workers right public sector employee's take from me.

    Tax payer pays for tax payee.
    Their gain, someone else's loss.
    It's a zero sum gain.

    Every single time.

    Every pay rise, every pension contribution, every perk, something someone poorer could have instead. An encouragement someone more vital to society could have. Resources diverted from one person to another.
     
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