UK Conservatives win BIG: Boris Johnson hails 'new dawn' after historic victory

Just gthinkif the Scottish separate from the U.K. and enter into the EU on their own the Queen will have to go through the same border annoyance they put the Irish through for years when she visits Balmoral

 

They can't and they won't.

 

Congratulations to the British conservatives

 

Reality is finally biting the "left" real hard.
What has passed for "progressive" government has been exposed as nothing more than a reactionary clique for crooked politicians and crony capitalist scum.
The DP, like UK Labor is committing political hara kiri.

 

Nah.

There is NO Comparison (whatsoever) between the USA Dem. Party and what happened to Labour in the UK.

 

I see.

 

Shall we put on our trackies and go hang with the scallies?

 

Actually, Democrats and Corbynites have a lot in common...



I could see Jeremy Corbyn rubbing elbows with Louis Farrakhan, too.

 

As far as The UK Tories and the USA GOP?

There is one GLARING "Similarity":

 

Hey AJ, why don't you post a picture of yourself so that we can judge how you look

 

Hey, if we get a Republican majority House next year then CA could slide into the Pacific for all I care.

I bet my home in AZ would dramatically increase in value.

 

Well FOX's founders son Lachlan just spent $150 MILLION on the former Beverly Hillbillies mansion in Bel Air which is being described as an outdated knock down,so he certainly doesn't want California to disappear.

 

Apply everything you're saying about Scotland and the UK to the UK and the EU.

 

Problem is all the Californian Democrats would flood neighbouring states like yours and turn them blue.

 

Also, NI voted very narrowly for remain. They are not Scotland. If regular bombings of children for 30 years didn't jump start independence, Boris in power sure as heck won't.

I support Scottish independence because I try to be consistent. I have not found an independence movement I am opposed to. I support an unqualified right of the people to secede from any political union, irrespective of any rules in the Union prohibiting such an action.

If Scotland unilaterally declared independence in violation of UK law I would back them.

 

Nah, our state welfare system sucks. You actually have to work if you want to live in AZ. We use the unemployed homeless around here as speed bumps.

 

Currently in Cape Town, South Africa and it's the same.

Surprisingly enough the US has a more robust Federal welfare system than Australia in some areas.

 

You have this a bit muddled. Scotland is part of the UK at the moment. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU. England is demanding they leave...so you have England demanding that the whole of the UK leave the EU even though two of the countries of the UK voted not to and Scotland by a much higher percentage than the small one the UK as a whole voted to leave.

England cared not that what it was suggesting would be breaking the Good Friday Agreement which has kept the peace in NI for the past 30 years. On that the EU did make demands. It demanded the UK go by the law. The EU however contrary to what you are suggesting never tried to stop England leaving and dragging Scotland and NIreland with it against their will.

Then you have the issue that the Leave team decided it wanted to leave with No Deal - this is what the Hedge Funds which are backing them have lade enormous bets on. Everyone is agreed that a No Deal would b e the most financially devastating for the UK. The Leave team say the UK would recover but they do not know when or how or really even if...but they do have backers wanting them to leave on No Deal.

This bit may well be what destroyed Labour's chances.

Parliament were not going to allow No Deal or going against the Good Friday agreement. The LibDems even intended on just scrapping the Referendum.

A massive amount of money arrives to get Brexiters to form a party and try to get seats in the EU - this includes people who are Tory but do not accept May's deal and want a more extreme one.

The make a killing at the EU elections along with the LibDems.

Farage sets up a Brexit Party to fight at the next General election which originally is popular in the Polls.

An election is called. Farage announces he will not stand. Farage tries to make a deal with the Tories over Tactical standing for election. Boris says no and Farage then decides the Brexit Party will not stand where the Tory Party is strong.

That leaves the Brexit Party as only standing where there are Labour Majorities a high leave vote and would never vote Tory. Research shows that in many of these seats for instance the North of England people were so fed up with Parliament whether they voted leave or remain that the one thing they were going to do was make sure they voted for a Party which would do this. Labour would but its plan had been continually made out to not be so prior to the election.

Election night. In seats which had a high leave vote the Brexit Party managed to get sufficient votes which would have been Labour that the Tories won and Labour lost the vote.

A very clever and well thought out policy.

So that has brought England back to where it believes it will get a much better deal from the EU. This is because it has the big majority in Parliament. It is not because the EU has changed.

Now Scotland voting for Independence.

I cannot imagine anyone who did not need to stay in union doing that with the England there is now and Scotland is another country and is acting as another country and really we hardly speak the same language. From all accounts there is massive open racism going on in many English towns. England is moving towards English Nationalism. That is what leaving the EU was always about. They never cared whether they kept the Union and were quite open about that.

Scotland had a vote for Independence. During the Referendum the vote for Independence rose and rose and looked like it may indeed be the result. The Westminsters came up and promised the people of Scotland every horror they could thing of - pensioners would loose their pensions, they would not be able to get their money out of the bank etc etc etc and the only way they could guarantee staying in the EU was if the voted against Independence. That was a big one. However there were others, we would be virtually a Federal State, we would be one of equals and we would have many more responsibilities which either have not been provided or are going to be taken back after Brexit. In short the agreement which was given to the Scottish people as to how things would be if they voted against Independence was a fraud and one of the parts of that Fraud was that staying in the UK would guarantee staying in the EU. Throughout Westminster has refused to listen to Scotland's voice and discuss things.

It was said before but never has it been more true - Scotland and England are not on the same page.

The Scottish people have the right of self determination. After the last vote many people left Labour and joined the SNP and wanted another referendum asap. Nicola however knew that the next time the answer must be yes so the timing must be right. The timing is right now.

England and Scotland were united first during Empire and later a pooling of resources and a welfare state. Both are gone. Tim Snyder sees the EU as the creative response to ex Imperial countries. Sadly some over 65's in England believe that is who they still are. The reason for union is over. Common ground has gone. Scotland will go Independent. Ireland will unite. We likely will help each other.

Here is just one example of the blogs yesterday.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/12/13/independence-beckons/

Craig Murray a strong supporter of Scottish Independence also has one for anyone interested in him.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/12/resolution/

The United Kingdom is over in all but name.

 

I am just as supportive of Scottish independence as I am of British independence more broadly. If Scots would prefer to be shackled to the EU than the UK then so be it, good on them.

Labour lost because Corbyn didn't have a concrete view on Brexit, the most important issue of the election, or at least the electorate didn't think he did.

This is the death knell for remain. Huge conservative majotity, purged of most of the remainers. 5 years to the next election unless a supermajority of tories vote for another. An actual leave campaigner as PM.

 

He is a liberal

 

Nah, the SNP only won 48 seats, in the previous election they had 56 and still lost the referendum. Even the poison dwarf herself admits people didn't necessarily vote SNP for independence but against Corbyn and Brexit (it was Labour who lost most to them, down to one MP whilst the Tories have half a dozen in Scotland). The last referendum was billed as once in a lifetime and that's just what it was, they can have their next one on 2201. With a true blue Conservative and Unionist in No 10 with such a huge majority it is never going to happen, not least because after Brexit an independent Scotland would be outside the UK and EU.

 

The Queen is the monarch of Scotland (direct descendent of James 6th when he took the English throne). What annoyance were we Irish put through exactly?

 

Some don't mind stepping into scary places.
Some just want to be peasants in a world run by IMF masters.

 

The UK is still run by imf masters

 

It isn't British Independence. The only people who are going to benefit from Brexit are the 1%. My interest in Independence is because of an interest in democracy, my dislike of the ever moving to the right of England and my belief that in a smaller country with a psychology which is much stronger rooted in working for the 'common good' we have a much better chance of being able to be active in politics and create changes which benefit all.

Westminster interferes far more with Scottish autonomy than the EU. Admittedly the EU is at a bit of a crises at the moment and has not yet got the message that neo liberalism has to go but a Scotland and Ireland involved in the EU will create far more options for the Scottish people as well as mutual support when things get difficult as they will with the climate emergency. I believe that in general the people of England were conned into the anti EU vote by lies. It is English Nationalism and it is very likely this is not going to be at all pretty. Leaving the EU weakens the English people at a time when they are likely to need help the most. It is as someone from the LSE said, the last grab of neo liberalism. When the people recognise they are hurting it will of course all be put down to 'the other'

As I said the hard Brexiters were very clear in polls over the last years that they were happy with the idea of even violence in NI as long as they got their hard Brexit and had no problem with Scottish Independence either.....however I suspect that an England all alone would possibly be vulnerable with a Scotland and United Ireland as part of the EU and not impossibly Wales coming along too.

I believe the whole Brexit thing was inspired by those who feel threatened of the potential of a strong EU. That is Trump's US, Russia - and both of them have been strong on working to get ethnic Nationalism and anti EU going in Europe. China too. The EU is a potentially very powerful block at a time when power in the world is in fluctuation. It is not surprising external countries wish to destroy it.

The EU's interference is really minimal...and it is the best trading block in the world also allowing its members to enjoy trade worldwide under deals it has formed.

However with the inequality of neo liberalism as it dies and the advent of environmental catastrophes, to some extent everything else is going to fall on the back burner. I believe that Boris is also pretty near Trump on the environment. That will speed up climate disaster and make it less likely we will survive. Every minute counts now and certainly by about ten years from now I am sure it will be the number one priority on everyone's list. We do not want the people to be enslaved through these schemes sold as 'Independence' by those making money from the planets ruin.

I would go with that. I believe he was quite clear what he intended - a new deal which would make sure that workers rights were looked after and it was possible to have a good enough economy etc which Labour have already heard the EU would be open to. That, and this was the demand of the right of Labour, would then be put to another vote on accepting it or remaining. It was how it was sold by the media to the public which gave them a wrong view and also told them how to react. That is one of the biggest interferences in our liberty at the moment. The misuse of social media to be able to suss a person and then tailor adverts to get them to do what is wanted. Apparently one of these programs can within moments have 5000 things sussed about you. It really is true that we are past 1984 on a very slipper slope at the moment.

Yes, it means that England will almost certainly be definitely leaving the EU. It also means they are stuck to be puppets as neo liberalism dies and to be harmed as England stops working to save the planet.