UK Conservatives win BIG: Boris Johnson hails 'new dawn' after historic victory

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  1. Steady Pie

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    And yet he won reelection while Jo Swinson did not. Apparently the British people disagree with you.
     
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    Has she? Could you find me the reference? Really doesn't matter, no referendum for 5 years by which time we'll have Brexit so an independent Scotland would face being outside the EU and UK. I think a unified Ireland would be massively unlikely with a Unionist PM with such a huge majority and Brexit likely to impoverish the South.
     
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    The extreme right had a miniscule role in this election and are irrelevant politically. This was a vote for (and against) Brexit
     
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    When did he dismiss them exactly? Show me the facts and stop flannelling.
     
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    Like who exactly?
     
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    I doubt it, the remaining fenians are on their knees, they're already trying and failing to murder us, what difference will Brexit make?

    Besides which we should never be dictated to by the shadow of a gunman, better to die for liberty than live in tyranny.
     
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    Article 50 and nope they are still receiving our money. Once we do leave it will be Germany alone holding the whole EU project up financially.
     
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    Because that is what most people base their political choices on - how best to feed their families.
     
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    Boris is pro immigration and Mogg said nothing of the sort.

     
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    IF ---
     
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    They have massive funding from the EU - an explanation as opposed to documents which I haven't got time to search out:
    https://bish.co.uk/2016/05/24/why-is-unite-in-favour-or-staying-in-the-eu/

    No they just seem to have backed off ---
     
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    You're always good for a laugh Alexa - te he
     
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    I am sorry that you didn't get what you wished for xxx

    The Scottish Indi was a 'once in a generation' vote and they gave it to 16 and 17 yr olds too - so no-one can complain that their future was decided for them.

    Scotland only joined the Union because it was bankrupt but, it is true, now there is nothing tying the four nations of our Union, as in, we do not have a joint purpose or goal or project/venture - as we did during Empire which we built together.

    I am sure that they will, in the near future get Indi2 - and if they want to go it alone - no-one will stop them - though I have no idea how that will work.
     
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    It's Charter runs to 2027 but it looks as though Boris is going to decriminalise 'not paying the licence' and push for the BBC to return to a free licence for the over 75s.
     
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    That is what leave voters voted for. Unless you think leave actually means stay joined.
     
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    Sorry to disabuse you but you're wrong on both counts. The Unions are not funded by the EU, and the postal workers were forced to call off their strike by the courts.
     
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    I don't eat meat my friend :rock_slayer:
     
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    The can has been kicked down the road for decades. Blair tried to address it and it was labelled the 'Death Tax', May tried and it was labelled the 'Dementia Tax'. The reality is the Social care system is having a huge part in destroying the NHS, poor social care leads to more falls, more illnesses etc. 1.6m bed days are used by failing social care every year. It's high time we realise that these things aren't free. I like the idea of insurance based social care for the highest earners. We all pay for car insurance and don't bat an eyelid but we seem to think Social Care should be free. It makes no sense.

    We need to re-instate cottage beds, pay higher wages to social carers and encourage private insurance.
     
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    The difficulty is that Alzheimers and Dementia and other associated conditions are illnesses. The NHS is set up to (try to) tackle illness in the whole population, which the whole population contributes to, theoretically via National Insurance. The differentiation of illnesses is a hot potato. For example should we now establish a list of illness caused by 'lifestyle' and decide not to treat them? Is dementia a condition brought on by lifestyle?
    In my view taxes ought to rise pretty dramatically and fairly across the whole population to so the NHS can cope with long term illnesses like Dementia.
    I think you'll find it's those with cars that pay car insurance.
     
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    Me neither, doesn't mean I am prepared to accept lower standards for food imports though. I don't want "acceptable levels" of rat shlt in my food. I want the acceptable level to be zero as it is under EU regulations.
     
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    The EU isn't perfect either. France has had bad meat coming from other less strict member of the EU. In the case of kebab restaurant they had problem with german resellers who weren't even trying to work in recommended condition for manipulating raw meat. There's also the problem of provenance of product and appelation. Now your corsican sausage is now made in east europe instead of corsica, same with the marseille soap who's now made in the middle east. Isn't globalism fun!
     
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    Yes and the chances are we will all require social care in our old age. You may never use it, like your car insurance, but it'll be good to have an ensure that funds can be used elsewhere. I would happily pay more in tax if the right people were in charge to distribute it. However, throwing money at the NHS is not a long term solution. We have an ageing population and the NHS was not created to handle so many elderly cases, along with treating chronic illness etc. It's unsustainable. Throw in the mix terrible management, hefty drugs contracts and abuse of the system and you have a recipe for disaster!
     
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    I personally don't buy that we will all of a sudden get rid of worker's rights, environmental standards, food standards etc but I do agree. It's not a good enough reason to stay within the EU for me.

    And is that a picture of your cat?
     
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