UK court criminalizes information about making weapons

This is a mill.

This is a lathe.

They have been around for centuries and many people have them in their garage. The can make a number of items from most stock metals.

People have always been able to make guns and explosives. Thinking that banning a pdf will somehow stop people from making guns is simply wrong.

 

Yea, that is slightly more onerous than downloading a blueprint and touching a button an a computer to have an undetectable plastic weapon.

 

I would use a metal 3-d printer.

I never will nor have walked around afraid that someone would shoot me with a plastic gun.

 

I've never walked around afraid that anyone was going to shoot me ever.

The difference between your metal gun and a plastic one is that someone could get a plastic gun on an airplane or into other secured areas.

 

Research LOL. Moving the goalposts: It is illegal to own explosives (without a permit) in the USA, but it is not illegal to own a book, like apparently it is in the UK. This poor chap was probably convicted for this book that I can buy today on Amazon: The Anarchist Cookbook: Powell, William: 9781607966128: Amazon.com: Books

It has instructions for making bombs, thermite, gun powder, and even LSD. Here in the USA it is not yet a criminal act to know things the state overlords don't want us to know.

 

Just without ammo or a barrel.

 

Prove it . . .

 

Prove what? That there is such a thing as a 3d printed plastic gun?

 

Literally just said I thought a suspended sentence was fair.

Look, if this was some radical Islamist with connections to ISIS who was found with radical literature, instructions on how to make bombs and some bomb making materials you'd be calling for a lot more than this right wing nut job got.

 

No, I wouldn't and I haven't. Neither has the U.S.

Read the article. No bomb-making material was found - only literature made him a criminal.

Books and knowledge should not be a reason to arrest someone much less give them a suspended sentence. If the man had bomb-making materials and had stated his unprompted intent to use a bomb to harm someone, then that would have been cause to arrest him. If he had an illegal bomb, that would be cause to arrest him. Someone knowing stuff or having books is not ever cause to arrest someone in a free society.

And BTW, Mohammed was white, so quit the race-baiting. Almost every Muslim carries literature more radical than the Anarchist's Cookbook. They're called the Hadith and Quran.

 

Prove that someone can smuggle one onto a plane.

 

How can you say their views were imposed? It is against the law to kill people without cause. Is that a view imposed from above, or is it simply the way things should be? I put it to you that the American perspective is not the only possible perspective. Not everyone believes the people have the right to use force on each other; some reserve that right for the state. Europeans (in general) have a different idea of their relationship with the state than we do. We're talking about people who, in the main, were not entitled to bear arms. Gentleman had a different meaning in 18th century Europe.

This is the way they grew up. I guess you could call their views imposed by their society. Since society is made up of people, you could then say they're imposing their views on themselves.

 

Way to move the goalpost. This portion of the debate was about whether guns changed anything in the Warsaw ghetto in 1943. Of course they did not go willingly to their deaths, but I was not trying to prove that they were.

They were desperate people, backs to the wall. But in the end guns did not change the outcome.

 

The TSA has a 95% failure rate catching regular guns. https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/12/20/whistleblower-says-tsa-is-trading-speed-for-security/

 

So, you just proved your own point wrong. Thanks.

 

First, it's not my point, it's WhoDatPhan78's point.
Second, If the TSA can't catch metal guns reliably, what's their record going to be like with harder-to-detect ones? I should think it would be worse.

My point is that the TSA, as it now operates, is worthless security theater.

 

I agree

 

Research LOL. Moving the goalposts: It is illegal to own explosives (without a permit) in the USA, but it is not illegal to own a book, like apparently it is in the UK. This poor chap was probably convicted for this book that I can buy today on Amazon: The Anarchist Cookbook: Powell, William: 9781607966128: Amazon.com: Books

It has instructions for making bombs, thermite, gun powder, and even LSD. Here in the USA it is not yet a criminal act to know things the state overlords don't want us to know.

 

Maybe, but it would b useless as they wouldn't be able to ammo for that gun on a plane.

 

The reality is none of the above is needed to build fully automatic firearms, semi-auto's a re a little tougher but still not impossible to build without the need for a mill or a lathe.

And before anyone here asks how to do such I will not answer that question, though it is easy enough to find on the net.