Ukip being turned into 'anti-Islamic party' that could soon have Tommy Robinson as leader

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  1. yasureoktoo

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    Because I have yet to see you respond, other than whining.
    If you know something about Islam, shouldn't you be in there with Islamic feedback.
     
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    So you're saying they are no threat to English law in one breath then in the next you say they will infiltrate our legal system and change our law.

    Honestly you are so transparently bigotted I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you.
     
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    Whining? I think not. That I disagree with you does not make ME an ignoramus, I merely completely disagree with you and have yet to see anything from you other than broad brush-stroking of the worst kind. Sharia is not some monolithic block of laws which all Muslims interpret the same way. Do you, in your distrust of Sharia, ever take into consideration regional differences? Look at the differing ways, for example, both Saudi Arabia and Malaysia interpret Sharia, Do you consider how the major schools interpret Sharia or how Shia differ from Sunni in understanding of what constitutes Sharia?

    You see, you say you hate Sharia but you do not even define what you understand Sharia to be.
     
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    Are you really this dense.
    They are no threat now.
    should I repeat that,
    They are no threat now.

    When their population increases, and they have a voting block,
    large enough to change laws, they will.


    I can't dumb it down any more than that.
     
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    Making sh-t up again I see.
    where did I say I hate sharia.

    Muslims aren't allowed to Interpret Sharia laws.
    Their system does that for them.
    They are called schools of thought
    I doubt anyone can put an accurate count on how many there are,
    but there are 5 main ones.
     
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    As they currently constitute 5% of England's population that will take quite sometime moreover as 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants have children at around the SAME percentage level as the surrounding population it is unlikely there will ever be enough Muslims to carry out their dastardly plan!
     
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    Islam has no central authority, so things change all over, and a mistake can get you killed.
     
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    All Muslims interpret Sharia, it is as inevitable as all Christians interpreting the teachings of the Church. Different people in different times with differing levels of education inevitably means differing views. There are indeed 5 main jurisprudential schools, a couple of separate theological ones and perhaps 6 or so dead Sunni schools. The Shia are very different and have had many more diverse interpretations over the last 1400 odd years. But I asked how YOU understand Sharia?
     
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    I'm not sure what the stats are in England, but all over Europe they have the problem of not enough babies born to maintain.
    Muslims are different in that they have more babies.

    I'm sure we could look up stats.
     
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    Personally, I've never studied Sharia law,
    I dabbled in looking into it a little in my quest to learn about Islam.
    I know it is from the Qur'an and sunnah.
    I know each of the schools are different, slightly.

    I know some, if not all, is straight from hell.

    Much deals with Muhammeds life, and the way he did things.

    when I read pages that someone posts about Sharia, I can go down the list and usually identify most of the sura's it came from.


    One of the major problems is that everything is a death sentence.
     
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    Perhaps this will help?

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    No, it's not something that really interests me, But I know I would not want it.
    And women get a raw deal.
    And a non-muslim cannot testify.

    And you are supposed to kill the leader if he is not a muslim.

    I would think the leader still gets his 20% of the booty.
     
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    You keep quoting these sorts of comments as if they were proof. Please show where they are written and their contexts.
     
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    Which one,

    One at a time,
     
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    Let's start with women getting a raw deal.
     
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    Women get the short end in all religions written by men.
    In the Abrahamic, right out of the Gate, it was Eve's fault that Adam sinned.
    Nolble
    Qur'an 4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"

    Noble
    Qur'an 2.282 And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her.

    Sahih Bukhari 6:301-
    "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"


    Sahih Muslim 4:1039 "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'"

    Tabari 9:1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves.

    If she doesn't come to her husbands bed on demand, he angles curse her till morning.

    Shakir translation:

    Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is high

    Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1986
    in this hadith, Aisha states that she has not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women, meaning Muslim women were suffering more than their pagan and Abrahamic counterparts.

    I could post these all day long, there are lots of them.
     
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    Did you know most of the people in Hell, were women.
    Because they didn't appreciate what their husbands did for them.
     
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    I'm sure you could but there are obvious rejoinders and one of them is you are confusing the cultural mores which pre-existed Islam / Christianity / Judaism with the teachings of those faiths.

    ". . . Oppressed, inferior, and unequal – for many people, these are the first words that come to mind when thinking about women in Islam. These stereotypes confuse Islam with cultural practices and fail to recognize that Islam has empowered women with the most progressive rights since the 7th century. In Islam, women are not inferior or unequal to men. . ."

    Source


    Source

    ibid
     
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    Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
     
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    Show me this, that is BS.

    And not from someone's 21st. century book report.


    And Umm Waraqah was not appointed Iman.
    she was appointed to lead the household in prayer, however that could only be women, because women are not allowed to lead men in prayer
     
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    Whatever anybody thinks of Tommy Robinson, he's politically astute because he knows who our sworn enemy is (whereas other politicians don't) and has the courage to publicise it (and believe me that takes courage?), and he exposes paedophiles, and that's okay in my book.
     
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    For the UK, under a zero migration scenario...

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    Immigration as normal, than by 2050 UK percentage of Muslims could be 16-17%


    That's quite a potential voting block.
     
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    So there is divine justice!
     
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    Let me clarify.

    UKIP isn't going to wipe out Islam on the planet or in the UK.
    To do so would truly be historical, so it's not going to happen.
    It'll be like somebody in the Arabic world driving Christianity or Christians out, it's going to look like religious persecution, which doesn't happen with political matters in the United Kingdom anymore.
    It's 2018, we have the Queen of England as our head of state on our money, from every note (bill) and coin to even a postage stamp meaning the UK is the only country on the planet that doesn't have to write its name on its stamp, but instead uses a bust of the Queen.
    Coupled with The Crown meaning me, the British people in this monarchical democracy Robinson wants his voice in, which is under God, that is something also worn by the Queen, the Crown put this man in prison for contempt of court because he was broadcasting it in a country/legal system that uses artist reenactment if it feels the need to tell anybody/The British people, especially if it's Crown prosecution.
    This is her country and my passport sporting the royal coat of arms tells me so and it states I'm a British Citizen in it.

    UKIP are like The Raving Looney Parties of the EDL.
     
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    Tommy Robinson isn't a political prisoner, he's a thug.

    He should have tag on, he's a Yobbo.
     
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