Ukraine referendum

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    They're paying the price for supporting Russian aggression.
     
  2. UntilNextTime

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    Certainly can't disagree with you there. A bit like a broken record, same thing, over and over again until you give it a bump?
     
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    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Your little buddy can try them on for size, but he's having a hard enough time with the Ukraine.
     
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    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    Did I say that? What I was referring to before you started to twist the narrative around like MSM, was the
    weirdness going on with you. Don't turn this around to be about me, I mean we, I, myself. It is your posts that got us here. Remember that Vernan.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have news for you, the ideologue mind set that imposed communism on Russia is now in Washington. Only this time we won't be under government control, we'll be under corporate control.
    Well Biden said he will blow up the Nordstream pipe lines and he did. But then what choice did the US and Nato have when you consider all the massive protests going on in Germany to force them to use the pipelines so they won't freeze?

    By blowing them up, Biden is killing two birds with one stone. He's hurting Russia, while at the same time destroying Germany and the EU with it.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Donor

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    You do know that the Russian army is massed at the borders? It is now an anti terrorist operation and Kiev is the terrorist state, which means Russia can do whatever it wants.
     
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    Once the line on the map has changed again, back to its original position, there'll be no Russia to leave they'll still be there, only the line on the map will change.
     
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    I think its funny you ask us to forget that a moment ago Putin tried to conquer the whole of Ukraine - because it cannot be helped otherwise....and now, regardless of anything you speak about the "rights" of the Russian minority close to Russia.
    It not "regardless", its directly linked, I for one am willing to pay a bit more on energy and commodities as long as order is restored.
    I hope you realize the damage Putin did to all Russian ppl out there for decades to come.
     
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    Funny that so many still think he wants to take all of Ukraine. It's even funnier that Putin stated that one of many of the bugbears for this conflict was NATO getting closer and closer to Russian borders after 8 years of warnings. What you got to understand is that Lenin gave that Russian land away to Ukraine back in the day with Russians still living on that Russian land. All they did was move a line on a map. A new border. Since 2014 the people in these regions have been used as target practice. Now tell me, is this their fault? And is Putin seeking to protect his own people that live on Russian soil that happens to be within Ukraine's borders?

    Yes, the world would like order, peace twice was fcked up by Boris Johnson twice and the US. It is the latter that wants continuance in this battle.
     
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    The way he conducts this war proves to me he cares nothing for Russian soldiers and so for his ppl as well, I was a soldier and if I was played like that my next visit would be the Kremlin, this WW2 tactic **** wouldn't have worked with me at all.
     
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    Different strokes for different folks. Don't take MSM rubbish seriously, if that's what your perspective is based on. Do your own research, it will turn out differently, your perspective that is.
     
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    I have no concern about the U.S. or NATO using WMD first. Are you saying Putin is bluffing or he might use WMD without being attacked by WMD?
     
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    What do "they" want?
    Again, you won't say.
    You're keeping it a secret. Maybe you're uncomfortable defending your views.
     
  14. LangleyMan

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    No, you need to write down your ideas.
     
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    I consider myself an aficionado of propaganda. I learned that in the US Army and it carried over into civilian life.

    So I can see propaganda of many stripes, mostly government and corporate. You know too that advertising is nothing but propaganda.

    Here in the fascist US, government and corporate propaganda is relentless and ever present.

    IMO the Russian propaganda is more subtle than western type. The most effective type of propaganda is by omission, and that is widely practiced in the US.
     
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    I've observed it and seen it verified by RT.
     
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    The documented fact is that the then leader of Russia gave away Russian land in exchange for Ukrainian nukes. That's square biz and you want backsies.

    I'm not denying the dude exists, I'm pointing out I don't care to contribute to a youtube grifter. I don't watch Dr Phil or Dr Oz either.
     
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    I'll bet you DO watch mainstream media. ;)
     
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    From what I've researched/read/heard apart from Putin/Russia, a few other countries also agree that the west is going mad with the cheerleader the US. With that being said, Putin wants to completely remove the stigma of communism and what it has done to Russia. What is the key to it all? Putin wants to reinvigorate the Orthodox Church and Christendom within Russia. As he and those other country's leaders have been reinvigorating their religions. Because of this, the west has been spreading its depravity to the rest of the world.

    Regarding the current events, he had been warning Ukraine and NATO for 8 years, and even though they broke their agreement (Minsk I & II) with Russia, Putin kept warning them. Replacing nukes with bioweapons labs, money laundering, human, drug and weapons trafficking, the nazism in western Ukraine, NATO closing borders with Russia. It broke the camel's back.
     
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    WTF? Clearly, you have no clue whatsoever. When were nukes/bombs created? Near the end of WWII, you know, the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. When and by who gave away Russian land? It was in the mid to late 1920s so how do these timelines correlate?
    Now we know why your statement has ignorant sentiment written all over it. Because you deny yourself any other knowledge or information, you'll forever be in perpetual ignorant bliss. The grifters are the MSM puppets, you just don't want to make the connection that there is a huge contrasting difference. A person is only as smart as the information they receive. If it's full of sh!t, well you know, watch much MSM?
     
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    You are as mad as those in the US that want this to escalate to nuclear war, hey? All of this was designed and orchestrated into poking the Russian bear. Have you ever asked yourself why? I'll tell you why, to continue the US's hegemony, and Russia's resources.
     
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    O so you just need a history lesson. Not a problem.

    1) Nukes were crated in the 40's and continue to be manufactured to this day
    2) Ukraine did not become an independent state in the 20's, it was a vassal state of soviet russia at that time.
    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine#:~:text=Ukraine officially declared itself an,independence from the Soviet Union.
    Ukraine declared itself independent in 1991. Boris Yeltsin, for Russia, and other leaders for various other soon to be former soviet states, executed the Belovezh Accords in 1991. Then President of the Russian Federation, Boris Yeltsin then signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1993 a) agreeing that Ukraine is a sovereign entity independent of the Russian Federation, b) acquiring the nuclear weapons and non proliferation promise of the Ukies c) the rest of the signatories (including the American President with permission of Congress) assured the security of Ukraine for entering in to the non-proliferation agreement.

    You're welcome.

    Peterson hasn't met Putin, and so cannot ethically diagnose anything about him under the rules of his profession. Therefore anything he has to say is purely speculative or outside his wheelhouse. I'm not giving him a click to hear him yap about things outside his subject matter expertise.
    As to MSM: I don't watch the MSM at all. I occasionally review news articles from as many trustworthy sources as possible.
     
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  24. UntilNextTime

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    I already knew that hence the Hiroshima and Nagasaki reference. They were used not boxed up ("crated") as you put it.
    What has this got to do with Lenin giving away Russian land with Russians still living on it?
    So?
    Oh, do you?:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

    No, you're welcome.
     
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    Holy **** dude, its called a typo.

    2) Lenin didn't give anything away, Ukraine remained part of the Soviet Union IE Russia until the 90s and the fall of the Soviet Union.
    3) So the Russian Federation's leader agreed to the independence of Ukraine in the 90s. Full stop. You have no legs to stand on.

    Yeah, it may shock you but there are more sources of news than the mainstream US or Russian Federation media.
    I know that's difficult to grasp since your nation has literal state propaganda.
     

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