Ukraine referendum

Yes, they do.

 

That's called the Military Industrial Complex or MIC. The US use countries such as Ukraine for their proxy wars. As war is just business for them.

 

A nice little piece was written within.

US hegemony: the culprit of Ukraine crisis
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1255314.shtml

 

It's pretty clear he's an anti propagandist.

 

This debate is like trying to explain to a goldfish that it is wet.

 

The goldfish has to first quit the mainstream media, or all media, and then eventually it will gain internal consistency, it usually takes a very long time.

 

I have a long memory so it's always been easy to catch liars. When I was young, I would indulge in the NYTimes because it was very informative even though I knew they were liberal. It didn't matter to me because I would take it into account. Later on I began with the BBC, but stopped after I caught them in their first lie.

Today the situation is different though. Every journalist that writes in the MSM mimics the other journalists. None of them will give an opinion that differs from the others - which is abnormal. Reporters in the past, even when they went along with the editorial policy did have some semblance of individuality.

Today though the MSM has reached ridiculous proportions - and that includes Al Jazeera. I get on to some Greek sites, and they confirm what the Russians say - yet the next day the same article will be flipped in the MSM. As an example, two days ago a convoy of refugees leaving Kharkov for a Russian area so they wouldn't be used as human shields by the Ukrainians, were killed. The Ukrainians knew they were civilians, so it was deliberate. Yet the MSM blamed the Russians - which is ridiculous. Why would the Russians kill the same Russians civilians they want to protect from being used as human shields?

This goes on everyday though. If I read that Russian troops have killed 300 Ukrainian troops, the next day the MSM will say the Ukrainian troops killed 300 Russian troops.

When Madiline Albright went to find the bodies, there weren't any. The only bodies that were found of Albanians, were a few thousand revenge killings during Clintons 78 day bombing of Belgrade. When the investigative reporter Seymour Hersch wrote about it, he couldn't find anyone to publish it - not even the New Yorker. He had to go to London, and I looked everywhere on Wikipedia and the book isn't even mentioned.

Here's a French General who was at the meetings and discloses that the real intent of the war was to break up Yugoslavia and then Serbia - and that the main instigator was Germany. This would explain why the main beneficiaries of the war were Germany's former allies Bosnia and Croatia, and why the greatest losses were incurred by the Serbs who ended up with a half million refugees.

Then why were the Nazi armies at the demarcation line and shooting at the civilians in Donetsk for 8 years? When Biden increased the heavy arms to Ukraine under the pretense that Russia was going to invade, the attacks on civilians increased 30 fold. It was a deliberate provocation by Biden, and this is why Russia was forced to send in peacekeepers. When the peacekeepers were attacked, they had the legal right to enter Ukraine to search out the perpetrators and destroy their military.

As for Crimea, it was after the Pogrom of Korsun that they voted to secede from Ukraine. On their way back from Maidan, Dozens of Crimeans were killed for speaking the Russian language and protesting against Euromaidan. The Nazis told them that they were going to Crimea to do the same to everyone else. So when they went back, Crimea declared its independence and asked the 20 thousand Russians stationed there to protect them while they held a referendum to secede.

14. AUG 2014, 21:20
THE POGROM OF KORSUN
In the night of 20 to 21 February 2014 activists of Euromaidan stopped buses near the town of Korsun-Schewtschenkowskiy, in which several hundred opponents of Euromaidan returned from Kiev to the Crimea. The armed men took over the buses and burned them down. To all people located therein (approximately 350 people), including women and young people, waited cruel beatings and harassment. The film “The crimes of the Nazis by the Ukrainian Euromaidan: The pogrom of Korsun.” documents this crime, in which several dozen people were killed.

https://ukraine-human-rights.org/the-pogrom-of-korsun/​

 

Washington's stated intent is to break up the Russian Federation so as to weaken it and take its resources. Doesn't sound like Russia's the aggressor here?

 

It doesn't matter.

We are far stronger than Russia. Any doubt about that has been eviscerated in the past 6 months.

Putin is a nobody.

 

He spews propaganda.

 

Your evidence for this is what?

 

Many thanks for your answer.

Western media works in a sales-oriented manner. They may cheat and use some trickery to maximize their sales, but blatant lies are too dangerous for them. If a medium has destroyed its reputation by too much lying, it risks to go bankrupt.

On the other hand, ruZZian state media (RT for example) doesn't depend on customer satisfaction. They are funded by the government and are therefore obliged to only write what the government dictates and likes. They may public crudest lies. It doesn't really matter.

In my opinion the ruZZians lie much more than western media outlets. One big Pooteen lie, for example, is the alleged Nazi regime that rules Ukraine.
But hey, Zelensky is a Jew.

 

Because he explains how propaganda works it doesn't work as well on those who understand him, and therefore he is an anti-propagandist.

That is separate from a question as to whether his political/economic thoughts work, but that in turn depends on what your criteria for 'works' happens to be.

But many people value his expose of the almost complete ubiquity of propaganda.

 

Zelensky identifies as a Christian that subscribed to the Russian Orthodox when he married his wife. He baptized his children in the Christian Faith.

As a Jew, I am incredibly uncomfortable with people pointing out Zelensky's Jewish upbringing to bolster arguments that his government and military does not have a Nazi element, because there's clearly Soldiers sporting Nazi symbols as tattoos. It feeds into the Jewish Bolshevism canard that Jews control world politics by highly influencing the administration of left and right-wing groups to create disunity among the neighboring countries and internal cultural groups. These claims were bolstered due to affiliation of non-practicing Jews within the Bolshevik Parties in Russia and the Communists in Germany that were both partial to the anarchist and revolutionary movements.

Jews want nothing to do with Zelensky. They do not want to be associated with the consequences that might flow from a Global Conflict and Economic Disaster.

 

Zelensky is not the originator of this conflict. It's Comrade Pooteen, who is neither Jew nor Christian, rather a son of Satan.

 

You either read a lot of fiction or watch too much MSM along with having a very vivid imagination. Maybe even the trifecta!

 

What we are doing is escalating the war because people think he is bluffing about using nuclear weapons.

 

He may use them, it won't help him, and it will mean the last few countries abandon him. Not to mention it will insure the war never ends until Putler is over thrown, that everyone joins the embargo, and that the west actually joins the war in Ukraine instead of just providing lend lease. It will blow up in Putler's face immediately.

 

You are not going to get the people you invaded and brutalized to go along with your sham referendum. They will fight you forever.

 

No, it's something you seem unable to grasp--independent thinking. It's not belief in Russian propaganda, it is independent critical thinking with the knowledge from life experiences that the US government HAS BEEN lying for decades. The efforts to demonize Russia did not begin with MH17.

As Oliver Stone's documentary The Untold History Of The United States shows that the US effort to demonize Russia began a long time ago.

 

I grasp it all right. It's just nonsensical.

 

We're helping Ukrainians push them out of their country, not calling his bluff. We've said that's our goal all along.

Biden said it—we defend every inch of NATO territory.

 

Hmmm. That still doesn't explain why you buy every whacko conspiracy pushed by Putin and his state-operated media outlets when it's plainly propaganda.

 

Huh. Is Russia so easily manipulated that it attacked Ukraine by being suckered into it?

 

NATO is defending Ukraine.