Ukraine should blow up Putin's Crimea bridge

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  1. vis

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    I've came across a paper of american journalist Tom Rogan who suggested to blow up Crimea brige that connects Crimea with Taman. I wonder is this journalist an idiot or a provocateur?
    He instignate clearly the war in Europe. Does not he understand that if Ukraine follows his advice Russia will simply send the military troops to Ukraine and then not only Crimea, but everything until Kiev will be under Russian protectorat.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ukraine-should-blow-up-putins-crimea-bridge
     
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    I wouldn't listen to some yahuu western journalist. Were I a Crimean I'd ask will our lives be better off in five years with the bridge, or without the bridge?
     
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    Incredibly sophisticated and tricky question. I see you're going to trap Crimeans in the labyrinth of your amazing logic. But what do you think about this, mr Socrates of nowadays?
     
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    Same as above. Were I a Crimean I'd ask will our lives be better off in five years with the bridge, or without the bridge?

    That is still my question, and not being a Crimean, I don't have an answer.
     
  5. vis

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    If I was a Crimean I would of course say that my life should be better because more toursits from Russia come to Crimea and, consequently, more money to the region. On the other side, I would be able to travel more easy from Crimea anywhere else.
     
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    Ok. I'm not Crimean too. But we may think about it.

    When Ukraine cut off water supply to the peninsula - did the Crimeans' lives get better or worse? Probably worse.
    When Russia drilled bores and provided water for Crimeans - I suppose they started feel better.
    When Ukraine blew up power lines and deprived Crimeans of electricity - did Crimeans start feeling better or worse? Probably worse.
    When Russia constructed underwater power line and launched electricity into Crimea - I think Crimeans again started feeling better.
    When Ukraine imposed trade embargo on Crimea and stopped goods delivery to there - highly likely Crimeans felt worse.
    Now, when Russia has built the bridge, so anyone may use it for travelling and for delivery of goods - I have a strong suspect that Crimeans again will feel better.

    What do you think about my considerations, guys?
     
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    Sounds very reasonable. Prosperity and public utilities make life better.
     
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    Well the bridge itself is a provocation... is it not. Like a piece of string trying to turn Crimea into Russian territory by building a bridge.
     
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    No need to blow anything up. Russia will demolish it at its own cost once Crimea is back with Ukraine.
     
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    What an idiot! I'm sure though if the Ukrainians could they would do it. They would have to bomb it though, or crash into it with a ship packed with explosives. I'm sure Russia has taken precautions against any insanity.
     
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    Uhhh, wasn't there a referendum and didn't the people vote to join Russia as protection from the Kiev junta? :confuse:
     
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    A referendum with armed green men is void and null.
     
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    if a republic in Russia had a referendum to leave Russia, Putin would surely not accept it.
     
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    Tatarstan has a referendum and 62% voted for independence.

    Why isn’t Tatarstan free from paRussia?
     
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    The SOB should be blown up, it's illegal, if the Russians try to make a move moscow can be in the cross hairs of several missiles!!
     
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    The Russian soldiers were asked by the government of Crimea to protect the people from the Kiev junta until a referendum could be held. There were over 100 international observers that attested to the legality of the voting apparatus.

    Russia did allow referendums for the separate Ukrainian and Baltic administrative areas of the Soviet Union, a right which they didn't give to the Russian populations living in the Eastern part of their territory. Because of it, 20 million Russians who didn't want to leave their ancestral homes are now living outside of Russia and in apartheid systems.

    As for the Republics in the Russian Federation, Moscow tries to help them economically, and in other ways as well. About half of the 123 different spoken languages are taught in schools. In Crimea alone, 8 mosques have opened up since they joined Russia, and Vladimir Putin gave the Tatars permission to build the largest mosque in Eastern Europe. It should be completed by December.
     
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    Tatarstan didn't vote to be independent of Russia, but rather for sovereignty within Russia. It was made a Republic and given the right in 1994 to trade many of its own resources. This became the model for the other 88 constituent parts of the ethnically diverse Russian Federation.
     
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    Ok, then don’t whine when Syrian rebels ask for American help. Seems only fair.

    Under Ukraine, Muslims could do whatever they wanted. Under Russian occupation the great little rooster putin generously allowed Muslims to build a few mosques. Nice way to shut them up, right? Prohibit Medjlis but build mosques.
    Do you even realize how ridiculous your claims are!

    As for Russia’s help to Russian subdivisions that’s even more pathetic! Central government taxes the population, mismanaged their affairs into poverty and helping them all along? Really?
    There is a reason why Russia rhymes with paRussia - it’s literally a toilet! It’s enough to take a look at provinces to realize that. I wonder, how many people in the regions would love to declare independence if it weren’t for a threat of Putin’s aggression against his own people.
     
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    I call BS!
    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/История_Татарстана

    Total and absolute BS!!

    Now, why didn’t russia recognize Tatarstans referendum? PaRussia wouldn’t look like a pathetic hypocrite if it recognized all referendums and declarations of independence on its territory if it want to do the same in other countries.
     
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    rigged referendum...

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    US will not dare to military interfere in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. I do not think you want to have nuclear missiles falling on your head.
     
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    Does it mean that you consider the suggestion to blow up the bridge and thus start a war in the middle of Europe reasonable?
     
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    I do not think it will happen.
     
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    Which country displays hypocricy is US, which thinks that separation of Kosovo even without referendum is fine, but separation of Crimea is not fine. As usual, double standards. As for Tatarstan, there were slightly more that half of the population that voted for independence and less than 2/3 of the population. Not too much people wanted a completely separated state. De jure Tatarstan is a souvern state. What is the problem? They are pretty much independent in Russia. They depend on Moscow not more than Germany or France on Brussel in the EU.
     
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    They already have vis, by sending javelins, we've already waxed hundreds of your"Wagner's" in Syria, we sent 100+ missiles into Syria last month where Assad "claimed" to have shot down more than half them, none proven. What has Putinka done other than yank his spanky?

    That's an illegal "druzhba" bridge, one cruise missile and it's history.
     
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