UN, singles out Israel as world’s only violator of women’s rights

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  1. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    Settlements are not illegal.

    The Document of the Mandate, an international treaty generating international law, gives Jews the right to settle anywhere west of the Jordan river.
    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

    UN resolutions, on the other hand, are not a source of international law.
    https://www.diakonia.se/en/IHL/The-Law/International-Law1/Sources-of-IL/
     
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    No one country owns the land so...
     
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    Excuse me @EarthSky

    What adult was supervising sweet Rachel
    as she remained in a building about to be bulldozed?
    That adult deserves trial, conviction & punishment.


    Moi :oldman:


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    That's insane. I've heard Israel has become a Hell on Earth for men. They're being completely cucked. I'll try and find a link to a documentary I saw in it...
     
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  5. Pisa

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    Seriously?
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-gaza-hamas-levels-an-ancient-archaeological-treasure/

    Why don't they use military sites to attack?
     
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    Just one instance is a very very long list of reasons the US needs to dump the UN.
     
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    Attacks predated the blockade by 6 years. What guarantees does Israel have that ending the blockade will end the attacks?
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    All Muslim nations conquered and occupied the nations they are in right now
     
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    UN Charter Chapter 2(4):

    All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

    Article 51 on self-defense and collective action:

    Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of collective or individual self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by members in exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.[7]

    Some further background for context:

    "Through the power of precedent, international incidents involving the use of force help to clarify the meaning and interpretation of jus ad bellum, the corpus of rules arising from international custom and the United Nations Charter that govern the use of force. UN Charter Article 2(4) forbids states from using force in their international relations. Exceptions to this prohibition are acts taken in self-defence under UN Charter Article 51 or under the auspices of a UN Security Council authorization to use force under Article 42. States can also consent that another state use force in its territory, for example to combat rebel or terrorist actors."

    https://blog.oup.com/2018/11/international-law-regarding-use-force/


    A list of UN resolutions Israel is in violation of would be too long to cut and paste but you can find them here:

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.co...olations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

    I hope this isn't too detailed or legalese for you to understand but this substantively answers your question.

    The gist is you go through the security council to resolve international disputes unless self-defense is warranted.
     
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    Completely missing the point. This is about a UN report on how women are treated in occupied territories.
     
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    Rachel was 23 when she died. She was an American activist trying to bring awareness to the plight of Palestinians in Gaza. She was bulldozed while attempting to inquire why the family who she was staying with was having their home destroyed. This is a better video perhaps. So many of them are under age protection now and hard to access - I wonder why?:

     
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    They have been able to negotiate cease-fires.

    What do you think motivates the attacks? Work to negotiate an end the occupation in good faith and who knows? Continue to occupy other peoples homes and land and you will likely have to face hatred and hostility.
     
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    Stupid Is As
    Stupid Does.

    She could not get out of the way of a bulldozer.
     
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    Straits of Tiran, to blockade the Israeli port of Elat.
    Act of war.
     
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    Now all you have to do is get the Israelis to agree, since the territory belongs to them.
    Under international law, the WB belongs to Israel.
    You cannot occupy land that belongs to you.
     
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    Hogwash.
    The Israelis and Egyptians have never disputed the straits or any of the territory around it.
     
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    That's not a necessary component of an act of war.
    If the US blockaded Chinese ports and forced all of the shipping in and out to cease with a credible show of, but not actual, force, its still an act of war.
     
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    The "international dispute" with regard to the WB resolved 25 years ago.
    Not sure why the UN thinks its wants and needs are relevant.
     
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    if that were true, Israel would have annexed the West Bank.

    but they have not. They haven't even applied Israeli civilian law to the settlements
     
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    according to the International Court of Justice, which has final say over international law, the West Bank is Occupied Territory.
     
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    Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen, Qatar, UAE, Sudan, oppress their women
     
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    the Palestine Mandate ended in 1948.

    71 years ago.

    even if it were still in force, it does not give Jews the right to confiscate Arab private property and use it for Jew-only housing.
     
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    You know the answer, as we all do. The Israelis left Gaza for a peace that never happened. Israel was attacked when the old borders were in place so why would they not attack again? What's changed?.

    Anyway it's a battle over religion, not land.
     
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    It certainly is, and will likely remain that way. How many battalions does the ICJ have?
     

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