Unmarked Feds in Portland Kidnapping Protesters

The CIA oversaw unmarked Government agents in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala in the 1980s. The victims. They also used unmarked vans to abduct dissidents. The victims were either found dead and mutilated or never seen again.

Fortunately, all of the kidnapped protesters in Portland were found alive and unharmed. It's still a chilling reminder of where this could go.

 

I've researched this. The story is not true in any way. The agents were identified as law enforcement.

the anti Trumpers are simply insane and a much bigger threat to this country than anything President Trump does.

 

I just saw that report on CNN. Chilling.
We need those 2nd Amendment types with some militias to stop the Feds taking over.

 

The Mayor has come out and said it's plain illegal, no due process.

 

AFAICT, "The Mayor" doesn't have a law degree, nor a particularly strong comprehension of legality nor due process.

 

The mayor is a complete and utter fool who can't even keep the most basic order in the city.

 

Here is their website. Why don't you reach out them and see if they're up for it?

 

You're defending government abductions of protesters? It's an intelligence gathering operation and a test to see how far they can go if the protests become about working class issues.

 

I'm defending the arrests of rioters, yes.

 

If they were rioters then why were they released with no charges?

 

I agree this is over the top, and probably unconstitutional.

But be aware the Fourteenth Amendment could be used to justify these actions, since it could be claimed that by arresting some of the rioters, the federal government is protecting the civil rights of other people, when the state and local government refuses to do so.

A lot of people are not aware how much the Fourteenth Amendment (and later court interpretations thereof) ended up affecting the balance of legal powers between the federal government and the states.

 

An arrest is not an abduction. I bet you know that.

Hint: a Writ of Habeas Corpus is your little friend.

"Arrest: A seizure or forcible restraint; an exercise of the power to deprive a person of his or her liberty; the taking or keeping of a person in custody by legal authority, especially, in response to a criminal charge."
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/arrest

 

You can still be arrested for committing a crime even if there are no charges.

Probably no charges because there was not enough evidence or the crime was so minor.

 

You have actual proof that has occurred? From an unbiased source?

Thought not.

 

Because the D.A. supports the rioters.

 

Those watching CNN usually want a powerful government and no guns in the hands of ordinary citizens.

 

Too bad they dont deport them to whatever country they choose...

 

While it might seem tempting to equate what happened in Guatemala in the 80’s with Portland, it would only appear similar if you have no understanding of what happened in Guatemala during that period. I was there.
That period, related to the conflict between groups of indigenous Maya from the highlands, was part of program created by general Héctor Mario López Fuentes as part of a systematic genocide of Maya to eliminate those voices that rose in support of the Maya fighting to survive against a systematic genocide of the Maya in areas rich in natural resources, particularly, the valuable wood resources of the areas populated by the indigenous Maya by a few in the high ranks of the military seeking to profit. It stared slowly by the slaughter of the entire population of a few entire villages (men, women and children) so the valuable wood resources could be exploited under the guise of a ‘leftist’ insurrection that resulted the creation of a more organized resistance... insurrection force that formed to defend their lives. Once armed resistance appeared in force, Fuentes, used that as justification for mounting a larger military operation and program of genocide that resulted in massacres of hundreds of indigenous communities in the 80’s (I encountered one in the Quiché region where on approach we could smell it from at least a mile away. When entering the village (name lost to me) we encountered a burned village and the corpses of those murdered, well over 2-300, where many had had the thumbs of their hands bound with wire behind their backs, and then were lined up and shot. The dead included women, children and babies. As the evidence of genocide mounted, people began to attempt to raise awareness, particularly among some in the press. That is when those associated with Fuentes, began to murder, including Cardinal Ramazzini (thought by many to be an eventual Candidate for Pope) and even a group of nuns, anyone tying to expose the genocide program. The murder program did involve the snatch and murder of thousands (45,000+) of what became known as the ‘disappeared’. The murders were perpetrated by army sympathizers, but blamed on rebels to further justify the genocide program. The US, and certainly the MSM media largely ignored what was going on as normal for a ‘Banana’ republic. The CIA did not direct anything. Their involvement, and more specifically that of US military advisors, did participate in training military forces, because of the concern that the armed Maya resistance was portrayed by the government as being instigated by Cuban insurgents who were providing arms (they were, Cuba would seize any opportunity to spread their ideology in the Latin American sphere). The US eventually distanced itself when the origins and motives were exposed.
I was working an affected of Guatemala, the Petén, as a Maya archaeologist and because the conflict began to impact many families of the Maya that worked for us, I eventually joined a Catholic Church funded, Merc Group in 1984, whose mission was to rescue, extract, and escort orphaned children to sanctuary across the Mexican border. We were trained by US marines and armed by Mexican military groups.
In regard to Portland, if the rumors are true, I would suggest the practice is not Constitutional. While not a supporter of the anarchists, I can see justification for armed resistance in the occasion of a snatch attempt. If a van appeared, with people with no means to identify official status, to snatch me or anyone else, it would be indistinguishable from a kidnap attempt where murder could result. You’d have no idea if you were being taken by government LE or another group with unknown motives, thus the use of deadly force in defense thus be justified IMO.
If true, I would want to know who authorized the tactic and under what legal authority. Regardless of where you stand ideologically, such a practice, should anger you.

 

No matter how you spin it. Unidentifiable State agents nabbed protesters from the street without charge. It doesnt matter if you don't agree with the protesters politically.

 

I wrote or informed nearly half of the Wikipedia page on the topic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_Civil_War

 

Have any of the rioters been held without charge for over 48 hours?

 

That sounds like a good way to get yourself and your comrades Willem van Spronsen'd. The videos of arrests I've seen are not being performed by "people with no means to identify official status". In fact, there are several indicators. For starters, do you see the words written across these guys' chests?

 

they were not unidentified. They had shoulder tabs.

And in a massive social disorder situation, lots of people are taken into custody without ever being charged.

 

Egads.