Unreasoning Hatred of Firearms :eekeyes:

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  1. DoctorWho

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    I never could understand why some people have such a great Hatred of Firearms.

    I don't love Firearms, however, I do enjoy the utility of Firearms, they are tools to help us survive, some Guns are works of art.

    Some are utilitarian, like a Glock.

    Why some people seem to think that anyone that carries a gun is somehow Evil is also beyond my capacity to comprehend.

    As a retired Policeman, I have the option to be Armed, just now, there sounded a bunch of Gun shots nearby, I am not scared, for I am Armed.

    Funny how Foreigners that haven't a dog in this fight are so adamant about and Against our Gun Rights, it makes one wonder.
     
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    Two reasons, held individually or together:
    1: Hoplophobia
    2: The state cannot have a monopoly on force so long as the people remain armed.
     
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    In My youth, I visited relatives in other Countries where firearms where had by the privileged classes, I hunted with a SxS shotgun on a Sugar plantation, an Ingenio, belonged to a Great Uncle, it was incredible to hunt game birds in early morning, the smell of the field, the smell of smoke from fires, the shotguns report, People offering me coffee and hospitality and friendship, as young as I was, I learned much from those people.
    Hunting is a Spiritual experience as much as Church.

    Firearms are a tool and a boon to humans, there are those that only see Evil in life, and have never lived fully, only a timid fearful existance, not really living at all.

    The Brave only die once, the coward dies a thousand deaths.
     
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    Colonel Jeff Cooper liked this quote from Shakespeare:

    King Henry llll, part ll act ll,

    "By my troth, I care not; a man can die but once:

    we all owe God a death
    : I'll ne'er bear a base mind:
    an't be my destiny, so; an't be not, so: no man is
    too good to serve's prince; and let it go which way it will,

    he that dies this year is quit for the next."

    Italics mine.

    RIP Dear Colonel....
     
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    Foreigners seem chock full of reasons why People should not have Firearms for Defensive purposes, or how personal defense is NOT a valid reason to own Firearms.

    Yet in My everyday life, I see good and substantial reasons proving that Self defense is a perfect and legitimate reason for Gun Ownership and concealed carry.

    I live a low risk life style, yet I am constantly running into wild and mentally ill People that are confrontational and even though I am able to defuse the situation peaceably most of the time, the time does now and then necessitate the use of force.
     
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    Any one who hasn't had their home broken into while they are in it, probably won't understand.
     
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    That Guy in England, Brendan Fearon ? Disambiguation requested, shot a few Home breakers and spent much time in jail.

    No, I got it wrong, Tony Martin was the home owner.
    Brendon Fearon was the home wrecker.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendon_Fearon

    This case was so wrong on so many levels.

    I heard unofficially Tony Martin called a Criminal for not having a license to own shotguns, and I guess this is considered objectionable in England and New York City, U.S.

    Here is the rest of the illegal shotgun bit

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)


    I think it is ridiculous to give Criminals that break & enter a residence Rights above home owner defending a residence.
     
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    Good thing we broke off that stupid country
     
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    I'm beginning to think that many of the countries of the world, maybe most (or all) outside the United States do not recognize the foundational principles upon which this country was founded and rests.

    I'm arguing, literally arguing, with people on this board on daily basis over whether or not a person has an inherent Right to defend themselves. I cannot fathom the concept of relying on government to defend my Life, Liberty or Property. Yet, if the foreigners have one thing in common, it is to disarm America.

    The more that we disarm America, the more the people become dependent upon government until one day America is going to look like the rest of the world and we will have such an abundance of people that we cannot provide for them and will have lost the ability to provide for ourselves.
     
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    I finally resonate some understanding, Fur bearing varmints and Foreigners want us disarmed so they can come here and pillage and plunder us and engage in Brigandage and Ravish the Women and hear the lamentations of.........

    Naw, I went too far, they just fear Arms.

    I just do not want to be disarmed.

    David Bowie said; " I fear Americans" however, he sure made money off us with his music.

    Cat people with Natasha Kinski was a Movie much improved by his music.
    She was a very zexy kitten !
     
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    Cooper did his part. Too bad he was most likely a huge fraud.
     
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    And how was he a fraud ?

    He was a Marine, a Retired Colonel.

    I really fail to see how anyone could use fraud and Colonel Cooper in the same context.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper,
     
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    He was. He didn't retire, he was riffed. His bio kept changing throughout his career and beyond with embellishments and outright lies that would have made a Clinton jealous. In fact, his bio is pretty flimsy once examined closely.
     
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    He wasn't a retired Marine colonel. Your own wiki reference says that. He was only in the Marines from 1941 to 1955, not long enough to retire.

    I loved to read his stuff, and he had a lot of good points, but I agree with QLB, he was for the most part a braggart, and his personal recollections of his own history are dubious.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/oct/01/local/me-cooper1
     
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    Why does any County of Any State have Any gun problem with their, Power of the County?

    are there no Posse of the People to be found.
     
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    And now you know why the left seeks more (and more and more) gun control.
     
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    I don't see what it profits to tear down someone that fought in combat and served our Country, well People find fault with anyone I suppose, they can call me a braggart too, I served with distinction and have slathers of commendations etc....
    I care less.
    I might have died at Ground Zero on 9/11/01 however, I didn't.
     
  18. QLB

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    Cooper was never in ground combat. He was never even in a gunfight. He was a gun writer who made up a persona, them made himself famous as well as a so called authority.
     
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    The problem is that he made claims that weren't true. I'm not a defender of liars (one of the main reasons I'm NeverTrump). Cooper was a decent writer. He had a great command of history. He had a lot of wit. He developed good techniques for using semi-automatic handguns. However, he was not a retired Marine Colonel, as he tended to claim. It's a fault in his character. It doesn't take away from what he actually did do.
     
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    It is just plain odd that his opponents seem to know more about his life than an Ex Wife, they also seem bitter about this, I guess I just don't understand it, whatever's the motive or reasoning, I remember a quote; if you have many enemies, you must be doing something right.

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    I would vote for Trump or even Sadam Hussein before I would vote for that evil Woman.
     
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    Both candidates that have a possibility of winning have serious flaws.
    So, that means you have to look beyond the candidates and decide which have policies that are most in line with your personal values.
    It should be very easy to choose since their views on most issues are completely 180 degrees from each other.

    If you go to the website of each candidate they publish their positions on the crucial issues.

    Immigration:
    She has stated that she would like to see and open border hemisphere. She states that she will let 10s of thousand of refugees from middle eastern countries migrate the the US, against the advice of homeland security because there is no way to identify these people.
    He is for securing borders and have a moratorium on the refugee intake until we have a system that can accurately identify and vet them.

    Guns:
    She want to fight for Universal Background checks. She want to "make manufacturers accountable" for gun violence by allowing them to be sued for the illegal use of firearms. She is also for a ban on "assault weapons".
    From his website.... the government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.
    He wants to appoint Supreme court justices that have similar view of the late Justice Scalia.

    Taxes and Economy:
    She want to stimulate the economy by wealth redistribution. She want to raise taxes on corporations and "make the rich pay their fair share", whatever that means.
    He want to cut taxes across the board and on the job creators, therefore stimulating the economy by creating more jobs.

    Foreign policy:
    Her policies are very similar to those of the current administration. Restrictions on rules of military engagement will continue as they are. She believes we can reach a diplomatic resolution to our current conflicts. She is however for regime change in Syria.
    His policy will be one that is peace through strength. He will build up our military to what is was before Obama took office. He is against our past policies of regime change in middle eastern countries.

    These are just a few issues that showcase their huge differences.
    For me, it is transparent that Hillary will continue on the path of Obama and the status quo.
    Trump is opposed by Obama, the White House, the democrats, the republican establishment, and the media. He is not owned by special interest groups and he owes favors to no one. This is exactly why these people are against him. He will not be part of "business as usual". That scares the hell out of them.

    Not voting for Trump with help Hillary get get elected and vice versa.
     
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    I agree, I am not voting for Hillary.
     
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    Who, no one doubts that Cooper was a huge 2nd amendment proponent. However, his persona was a fraud. Cooper had other people create his resume for him that he never corrected. His so called ideas were largely taken from other people and he rarely credited anyone except himself. There's no evidence was ever in combat even on the Pennsylvania. He does not appear in photographs of the USMC detachment on the ship and was never listed on the roster of crewmen on the website. In fact, no one seems to have known him. He clearly did not invent the Bren Ten. He was never even a serious competitor in shooting matches. His claims of being involved in 3 gunfights is very dubious. Even more so, his other claim of being involved in "counterinsurgency operations" in Korea is almost surely fantasy except perhaps as training Koreans in firearms. Yes, Colonel Jefe was a huge fraud and his so called modern method is even more so. There's a whole lot more. If the left ever took a good look at this guy, it would be very easy to destroy his so called reputation.
     
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    You seem much invested in a particular vendetta, for whatever reasons, perhaps it is a hobby of yours ?
    I don't take stuff like that seriously in any case.
    In my many years as a health-care provider, I saw enough cases to understand that most people should simply be smiled at and ignored for the duration.

    :smile:
     
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    No vendetta Who, simply the truth. Cooper was the equivalent of Peter Capstick, the African hunting writer. He was a great writer, but most of his stories were either made up, embellished or taken from other PH's. At least Capstick acknowledged this to a degree. Nevertheless he was great for hunting and was a well liked guy. So much that his foibles were forgiven because he was so good for business. Cooper's problem was that he wasn't well liked. Cooper was introduced as a college "professor" but was never listed as such and the highest he ever got into teaching was at the junior college level. Colonel Jefe was also introduced as "Editor of Guns and Ammo" but he never was. He was editor at large, which is simply a contracted author with some degree of control over his content. There really is tons more about how flimsy his resume was. Cooper was a gun writer who did two things. He recognized that there was no good school for civilian pistol craft. The second was that his persona was a fictional creation.
     

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