US Ambassador Richard Grenell threatens German firms over Russian pipeline

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  1. Striped Horse

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    HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE

    The US Viceroy for occupied Germany demands German firms working on the Nord Stream II gas pipeline recognise that they are “engaging in activities that carry significant sanctions risk”.

    The letter clearly is a divide and conquer threat to impose US sanctions on German firms that follow their sovereign governments deal to import cheap Russian gas along the Nord Stream II pipeline rather than bend their knee to the American Emperor's demands to exclusively buy the much more expensive US gas.

    When are the US going to wake up to the fact that the world has changed and that the US is the one out of step with it...

    https://www.dw.com/en/us-ambassador...german-firms-over-russian-pipeline/a-47062540
     
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    If true then it is exactly not what ambassadors should do. It is also not what an incompetent government should tell him to do. No argument.
     
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    Agreed. It is true. You can read his letter online.
     
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    As Russia continues to ensnare Nations with it's energy scheme, while attempting to carry out it's expansion objective, it's reasonable to warn Nations surrendering to Russia to be aware of what they are stepping into.
     
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    We are still acting like we are the lone player on the board, we aren’t.
    As we lose world power and respect the trumpets are running around screaming “winning”.
     
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    if it impedes and/or halts the liberal 'one world order' i'm all for russian expansion, they can have europe as far as i'm concerned... remember the last guy that wanted a 'one world order' had the same ideals as the liberals of today and we blew him to smithereenswith russia's help... we will need their help again to maintain our freedoms from oppression...
     
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    Buy US gas or be sanctioned... I'm pretty sure we'll see sanctions on Nordstream by mid or second half of the year.... all part of America First policies...MAGA
     
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    I don't need to. I live here.
     
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    "Ensnare". The US wants Europe to buy US oil at a much higher price. If using foreign policy and other means for the purposes of benefiting the US oil and gas industry is not the definition of "ensnare" I don't know what if.

    Besides that Germany has made it perfectly and repeatedly clear that they intend to buy the much cheaper Russian gas. That is their foreign policy for their domestic economy. To keep agitating against this is nothing less than interfering in the domestic matters of a foreign state --- something that America says must not happen unless they do it.

    That's called hypocrisy.
     
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    The US want's the EU to avoid an alliance with Putin. Contrary to the fabricated rhetoric regarding Putin and Trump, the President understands what a threat that is to their sovereignty and economic security of Nations in the EU.

    There are other sources of energy, some Germany foolishly abandoned, that would benefit Germany long term, and keep history from repeating itself.
     
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    Dividing Germany and Russia (as well as France and Germany) has been British imperial policy for hundreds of years. The US took on this strategy because they recognise that the engineering genius of Germany when combined with the vast resources of Russia would be an unbeatable combination and would dominate the Continent of Europe for decades to come. It is this strategy that has also been behind the US developing closer relations with Poland and Ukraine so that they act as a geographical cordon sanitaire between Russia and Germany.

    In the final analysis it is for Germany, as a sovereign nation, to decide what energy policy to adopt in their national interest. It is not for the US or UK - or NATO and the Anglosphere in general - to dictate the foreign policy of a sovereign nation under threat of financial sanctions.

    And I'll tell you where that arrogance will and is ending up. More and more nations are leaving the dollar world and therefore reducing its hegemonic position.

    That arrogance is an own goal.
     
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    It is within the scope of aligned Nations to establish policy and recommendations that are viewed as being in the best interests of all.

    Germany has every right to sell it's economic future to hostile Nations, if that is what it's leadership chooses to do. The US can only object to continuing such a path. History has shown that Germany will pivot to atrocity if it finds itself cornered by circumstances and limited solutions.
     
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    Well the EU tried to overrule the US re its sanctions on firms re Iran and most of them were too scared and went with the US. Clearly like any bully who has not been resisted, the US believes that this is one it can still pull.
     
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    Expansion objective?
     
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    Syria, Ukraine, Crimea, etc., etc...

    Russia is barely a bit player on the World Stage, outside it's energy sector. Clearly Putin is attempting to do something about that.
     
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    Channeling Victoria Nuland this morning?
     
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    Unlike some, I'm capable of offering a personal opinion based on observation and historical reference.

    Some depend on others to tell them what to think, which might be the reason you assume my thoughts can only be directed by an outside source.
     
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    Europe plunged into energy crisis as Russia cuts off gas supply via Ukraine

    Updated: 01:57 EST, 7 January 2009

    • Gas prices rise in London
    • Bulgaria reaches 'crisis' point
    Russia cut gas exports to Europe by 60 per cent today, plunging the continent into an energy crisis 'within hours' as a dispute with Ukraine escalated.

    This morning, gas companies in Ukraine said that Russia had completely cut off their supply.
    The Nations of the EU are welcome to ignore history at their own peril.

    Some people should try toning down the rhetoric in their sales pitch.

     
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    Yep, and the EU revealed its weakness in doing that. My guess is that they have to face their national elites: bankers and corporations and the wealthy who actually run the EU using those appointed EU bureaucrats as barking dogs.

    The elites - or many of them anyway - still benefit from an alignment with the US even as they recognise that the US is a declining empire. The imperative, therefore, is choosing the right time to completely defy the US and realign and go their own way. Imo.
     
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    Nobody is ignoring anything. In fact, some of us understand the history more accurately than you appear to do.

    This spat had been going on for years prior to that halt. Russia cut off the gas supply to the Ukraine in 2006 because the Ukraine was extracting ("nicking") without paying Russian gas transit supples for domestic Ukranian use from the pipeline that ran through their territory to Western Europe --- despite clear warnings from Russia to stop the thievery.

    But that is old hat now. Ukraine was completely taken out of the equation by Germany and Russia working together. The new Nord Stream II system being built will bypasses the Ukraine and, in fact, the land corridor between Russia and Germany and go directly to Germany from Russia.

    And then no more meddling by US neocons and crooked nazi-leaning Ukrainian oligarchs.
     
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    Rhetoric is a poor replacement for understanding history and the need to avoid repeating it.

    As I wrote, the Nations of the EU are welcome to ignore history at their own peril. As energy becomes more precious, power and control transfers to those who own it.
     
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    Well the EU elites themselves are still working to keep the deal going

    Can EU make decisions independently of US, asks Iran's vice president Jahangiri

    The problem seemed to be that firms who also had business with the US were afraid of losing that...or something like that.

    I am sure I have read people wanting the EU to take on the role of the reserve currency, that is them wanting to do business in the Euro rather than the dollar, despite the situation the EU is in at the moment...The US I think is aware that the EU is psychologically very ready to be independent of the US. It is not surprising that I keep reading of the US being in favour of the far right which would lead to the dismantling of the EU. When you talk of bankers and Corporations running the EU - I am guessing no more than they run the US and will continue to run the UK once we leave. Now if Diem25 starts to have success and the EU comes together to work to make the EU genuinely democratic and against neo liberalism they might see the situation differently. At the same time what I am saying is that there appears to be another undercurrent which comes rather from those who are anti neo liberalism who appear to show an interest in the EU becoming the reserve currency and possibly having hegemony, but I suspect that is the EU which disappeared in the last years.

    Keeping it brief it was individual companies who did not want to lose due to their involvement also in the US. I guess the way out of that is to stop the US being in the situation where it even can sanction people for doing business with other people and I guess when the $ loses its position that will be it.... it just remains to be seen how long that continues for and from what I hear it could end literally any time.
     
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    I agree. This is why I think you should expend far more effort to become more knowledgeable -- instead of repeating media bollocks that is based on unacknowledged briefings from British government spooks. The Mail is known for it (despite publishing some decent stories too). There are many persons and entities out there that are a great deal more accurate and informative and analytical than the mainstream media merchants of cobblers you seem to prefer.

    I have an update for you; those who own something actually own it. Silly isn't it. This has been the case throughout history and is enshrined in law.

    It is a fact of life that those nations who have mineral assets beneath their own geographical landmasses do actually have a say in who they sell them too, or not. As they see fit. This is the consequence of fate. And international laws governing such ownership are clear. The seller states the price - haggling ensues by the buyer - and a deal is reached. or not.

    As in the case between Russia and Germany for gas.

    Secondly, The US and the UK ignore UN rules and directives all the time. Why should the EU not do likewise?
     
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