US Attorney Durham objects to IG findings on Russia probe origins in stunning statement

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    There's nothing false about my narratives. But I doubt you've heard them because FOX News fails to inform you.
     
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    The trite "dictator" meme is tiresome.

    As every President, that we've ever had, was the head of the executive branch (administration), your fake definition would have us being a dictatorship from the very beginning.

    It appears that you have a fundamental disagreement with The Constitution. Instead of wasting effort on an individual President, I suggest that you work to rewrite our Constitution.
     
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    Pelosi & the Democrats DIDN'T pledge to impeach Trump before the inauguration. There were a few scattered Democrats who expressed a desire to do that, but you can't generalize individual statements of a handful of Democrats to cover all Democrats. Besides, there's a huge difference between expressing a desire for impeachment & actually doing it. Pelosi resisted impeachment for 1 1/2 years, against a growing demand from the more Progressive side of her party, & only gave into impeachment AFTER the convincing & highly disturbing evidence that Trump was actively extorting the new President of Ukraine for personal gain--a charge that required looking into, based on Congressional powers of oversight, & under checks & balances. Inaction at that point would have been dereliction of duty on her part.
     
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    Jeez. How about you post false narratives one at a time? Carpet bombing people with false narratives is another trite leftist tactic.

    "Is that why Trump repeatedly invites foreign countries to interfere in our domestic elections?"

    I think that it's apparent that Trump loves to troll the left.
     
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    They're all fake memes.
     
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    The "dictator" meme is for sure "tiresome," but Trump fits that mold more closely than any of his predecessors across history. To make matters worse, Trump personally admires dictators in power around the world now, & from history--and makes no secret of it. Trump also defies the existing law in every conceivable way, if that law blocks or hinders him getting what he wants at any given time. He ignores the Constitution most of the time, & blatently rejects it or its legal superiority over himself at times, like with his border incarcerations of children, or ignoring subpoenas from Congress--his Constitutional equal in government, and his abuse of power by using his office to extort foreign officials in an effort to help him win the 2020 election. His admiration for Putin of Russia, & his frequent efforts to aid & assist Putin behind the scenes, is, & has been, a growing threat to U.S. security. Republicans used to care about such things, but Trump Republicans have stopped caring about anything except Trump. That's not good for America.
     
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    The nonsensical term doesn't fit Trump.
     
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    Oh boy....
     
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    I know you trust Trump. I know you trust Fox News & other conservative info sources. I know you mean well, but take a few moments to consider the damage to your country & even yourself & those you personally love if you are wrong.

    Yes, I am a liberal & a Democrat. But I'm also an American who loves & respects the Constitution. My news sources tell me that Trump & his minions are abusing that Constitution along with the public trust. I've seen a lot of dedicated, honorable people support that information with testimonies under oath.

    Clearly, my information source is telling me a very different story from what your information sources are telling you. Perhaps the problem isn't our diverse points of view. Rather, it may be the way modern media sources function. It seems every media source follows its own prejudices & persuasions, rather than the objective truth, & each develops a following, causing an ever increasing polarization of views within the populace. You & I & all Americans are victimized by that division.
     
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    I submit that it fits Trump, but may not fit your concept of Trump.
     
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    This is a pretty good take and I will say what infuriates Republicans beyond belief is the media being in bed with the democrats'. They act like what trump did is a quid pro quo but Biden's wasn't. They act like hiring Russians to get dirt on Trump isn't bad but had no problem spreading falsehoods about Trump colluding. They act like Obama didn't ignore congressional subpoenas yet Trump should be impeached for doing the same thing. It's all divisive and untrustworthy.

    I agree the Trump brash and in your face fight would drive me crazy if I were a dem. As a republican I'm glad we finally have a President who fights back against media bias and the constant grandma over the cliff accusations from the left that ALWAYS LEADS TO CITIZENS SENDING MORE MONEY TO GOVERNMENT. To act like Republicans don't support the constitution is absurd, we fight for the meaning daily especially against the judicial system subjecting political bias opinions that change the meaning because they feel a certain way.
     
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    Why would you trust sources that are constantly proven wrong?

    Start trusting yourself!
     
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    Dedicated, honorable people with only hearsay and presumption is a poor qualifier to impeachment.
     
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    First, thank you for your openness & honesty. As a Democrat, I am concerned over several of the things that concern you. As a Democrat, & one that strongly supports the Constitution & American culture--even when I disagree with portions of it--I am troubled by your identification of Democrats as your enemy. We aren't. Just because we have a different perspective on government & the ways it could be better, or the economy, for ways it could be more fair, doesn't make us your enemy. America is supposed to be a place where everyone has the freedom to think for themselves without someone else regarding them as an enemy. You aren't the first person on this forum to express the opinion that Democrats are their enemy. I believe many conservatives--& especially Trump conservatives--think this way. America has always had large portions of its people thinking differently from each other. Yet, they managed to work together when & where they could to make a great country. Seeing our fellow Americans--each other--as the enemy, is the first step toward the dissolution of America as a nation & a culture. I strongly urge you, & others like you, to see beyond your emotional response to Democrats more liberal thinking, & consider how your fear & hatred of your Democratic neighbors will affect the country you claim to love.

    Regarding Trump & Biden. . .there is no equivalency. Biden did what the leadership of the EU & the President of the U.S. asked him to do. He did it to help improve international relations. He didn't get the Head Investigator for corruption in Ukraine fired because that man was threatening Hunter Biden's job. He got the Head Investigator of Ukraine fired because that man was NOT DOING HIS JOB. Biden helped get an inept & corrupt investigator fired & replaced with someone who would do a better job. That act INCREASED the likelihood that Hunter would be affected & possibly lose his job. Biden didn't act in Ukraine for the benefit of his son Hunter. Trump on the other hand, DID act in self interest when he demanded that Ukraine initiate an investigation into the Bidens. For Trump, it was always personal, NOT for the country. Asking Ukraine to start an investigation isn't a crime, so long as it is for national purpose. Doing it to benefit a candidate in a domestic national election IS A CRIME.

    Obama may have ignored Congressional subpoenas himself personally, but Obama never ordered the entire Executive Branch of government workers to ignore them. Trump did. That's clearly OBSTRUCTIONISM. Do you want America to become a nation of rich, powerful men, who make the laws as they go along, or a nation of laws, where the same laws apply to every citizen? I am a Democrat, & I choose the latter.
     
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    Both sides have correct & incorrect facts. I know this, & I try to be vigilant in finding the truth within both. I'm not always successful, but in reading this forum, I have found many others equally successful or inept. The truth is that the media today is more diversified & more prejudiced in its views, than at any former time in American history, & that makes it increasingly difficult to find the raw, unequivocal truth--not just for me, but for all of us. Allowing ourselves to become clogged down in any one media perspective, can & will prevent us from finding that truth. Those trapped in any of those narrow media perspectives, soon start thinking those expressing different points of view are somehow now their enemy. The biased media of today is a strong force in dividing us as a nation & as a people. We have to remember that no single media perspective is all in the right. They are prejudiced in their views, & all distort the facts to favor their perspectives. As Americans, we must keep our loyalties toward each other, as fellow Americans, stronger than our political allegiances. America is more important than any political party. America is more important than any philosophic political persuasion. We cannot allow anyone to use our differences in thinking, as a tool to divide us. If we do, we become pawns for their destructive goals.
     
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    I'm quite surprised & shocked that you seem impervious to the destructive actions of our current President. He continuously does things that offend every imaginable value America has ever claimed to have stood for. He openly admires & attempts to emulate authoritarian rulers around the world, with Putin a special favorite. He denounces & refuses to work with the established government agencies & department leaders available to him at any time. Instead, he circumvents them all, & establishes a shadow system of personal henchmen that works directly for & under him personally, & ignores or eludes established professionals who've dedicated their very lives to serving the nation & its Presidents. He trusts no one, & his Presidency reflects that distrust in everything he does. He is profane, self-serving, selfish, & an utterly horrible example of America to the world. ANY current Democratic candidate would be better.
     
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    The fact that their individual testimonies revealed emails, first hand, personal experiences & other evidences, that were all found to agree in the details, made those testimonies more than just personal prejudices or hearsay. New evidences are still emerging, as we speak. Trump is a con man & a crook. In every other decade of American history, he would be fired by the Congress. But today, as in the 1850s, America has become so polarized politically, that we're beginning to view each other as the enemy rather than fellow Americans. Last time this happened, we had a Civil War--the bloodiest war in American history. Many already caught up in this political bog, are calling for another Civil War, thinking if they kill anyone disagreeing with them, it'll solve the problem. But it won't. Different patterns of thought are a natural ingredient in being human, no matter where or when we take samples. Even if one side succeeded in exterminating the other, & became the only living, working point of view for the nation, it would take only one generation to see different thinking happening in the children of the winners. Fighting those who disagree with us philosophically or politically or religiously or ethnically or racially, is nothing but a waste of time, effort & life. No one perspective is totally right, regardless of the issue. Fighting over our differences is a doomed effort. We must all learn to live together in peace, & work together to create something new, simply because what we've created to date, isn't working. Bloodshed is no answer. Conflict simply add to the pain, with no good outcome.
     
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    How does one stop people from sowing hate and division?

    How one maintain a sense of shared loyalties with those who are sowing hate and division?
     
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    You can't stop others from sowing hate & division, but you can decide for yourself not to become victimized by them. If you don't become part of that hatred & divisiveness, then you will be doing your part in supporting America & the ideals it is supposed to stand for.
     
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    That is a solid point. The media literally rooted on the destruction of the current President and his Administration by fostering, promoting and making up fake and false news stories. The media openly cheered on the death of American soldiers when we went into Iraq back in 2003. They went out of their way to promote any story that viewed our efforts in Iraq in a very bad and poor light while ignoring the fact that Iran was openly killing American soldiers.

    Pathetic.
     
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    How do I decide to not be called a Nazi?

    How do I decide to not get assaulted or harrassed?
     
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