US Attorney Durham objects to IG findings on Russia probe origins in stunning statement

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  1. Bluesguy

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    It now goes to the prosecutor who just specifically rebuked the portion of the IG report concerning the origin of the investigation and has turned his investigation into a criminal one.
     
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    There are other elements, including most importantly the Misfud one that's of substantial importance to the investigation. But because much of that is classified, no one(other than Barr/Durham) can say. However, given the FBI perchance of lying on already known matters, once that information is released and revealed, I think even the Left will say: "Yeah, this was inappropriate and unacceptable behavior."
     
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    Why is it a fail for Trumpers? Durham just specifically rebuked you only claim to fame here, how it began. Specifically stating his office has had FAR more access to evidence and persons involved and than that of the IG's limited scope. After that the report is devistating for the FBI and DOJ and the MULTIPLE FISA abuses, ie violations. This goes to Durham now, that's where is the criminal investigation that seems very ongoing.
     
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    Durham specifically stated his office has access to foreign sources that the IG did not have noting that the IG scope is limited to internally in the DOJ.
     
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    Frankly, Horowitz upon the knowledge of the criminal probe should not have made any preliminary conclusions, he should have just reported on the data that he collected. His conclusions which don't coincide with the evidence only further demonstrated corruption, it didn't salvage the organizations, institution and country of the corrupt elements.

    And frankly, with what I read: FBI reforms just aren't enough for me. I'm sorry, we can't trust FISA knowing what we know now. Knowing the kind of legal excuses that can be made for honestly nationwide surveillance should they so choose is a gross violation of the constitution and the idea of our country.
     
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    Bad news for Obama and his band of criminals.
     
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    Are you now claiming that the U.S. President DOES NOT set policy for the United States? One sometimes wonders if leftists ever listen to themselves when trying to rationalize why it is perfectly legal for a Dem Party president or vice president to actually do something that they consider to be illegal for a GOP president to even think about doing. Good luck with ramming through that set of double standards.
     
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    The Ukraine courts do....

    Ukraine Court Reveals Officials Interfered in US Election by Naming Manafort
    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...e-Court-Reveals-Interfered-Election-Manafort/

    Maybe he can read the NYT
    George Kent must not read the New York Times, which broke the story about Ukraine's 2016 election interference
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ory-about-ukraines-2016-election-interference

    And we are finally actually investigating it

    DOJ Reconfirms: Ukraine's Role in 2016 Election Interference is Being Investigated
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...n-interference-is-being-investigated-n2553684
     
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    You didn't read his and Barr's letters today did you.
     
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    Ahhhh Trump sets the policy................and still no evidence of an extortion. But this is about the Ukraine interference into our elections, interference meant to harm Trump. Why wouldn't he be weary of dealing with them and why wouldn't he want to get to the bottom of THAT election interference? Is interference only bad if it is Russian?
     
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    Christopher Wray, the current Director of the FBI, confirmed today that the FBI has no evidence that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election and that Russia did interfere. Trump was running a back-channel "foreign policy" supporting Putin and the Russians, contrary to the official policy of his own administration. And, he doesn't control Congressional appropriations. If he wished to hold up their appropriation, there was a process requiring that he inform them of his intent and the reasons. Congress...not the President...controls the "purse-strings."
     
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    "Sputnik?" You're kidding, right?
     
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    And the DOJ is objecting to reports from within his own office not based on fact, but because it doesn’t push the narrative they want...

    Republicans have completely abandoned Democracy and our Constitution
     
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    Yah the dnc colluded with Russia to hack themselves and help trump. Brilliant!
     
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    Well...many of them. A lot of bonafide "conservatives" have just left the Party, and there may be a few still left in Congress, but for the most part, you're right. Trump isn't concerned with the "truth," but rather his base's "perception of the truth." Thinks of himself as the the Ring Master, and sets the "stage," creating whatever illusion he wants his audience/customers to believe. But, I suspect there is more to come and that by the time we get to the Senate vote to convict on impeachment that "more" will be public and the basic choice will be to vote on the issue of whether or not the President is above the law.
     
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    You're not a prosecutor. You're a Trump lover dying for any reason to make this IG report look less of a failure than it already is.
     
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    So indictments are sure to come then, right? LOL

    By the way, you are aware that Trump is being impeached too right?
     
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    LOL, ok. Once Durham fails to lock anyone up you desperately want locked up, what will your new excuse be?

    Or are you gonna stick with the usual deep state conspiracy?
     
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    I did. And those who don't bend the knee to Trump see exactly what their words truly are.

    Empty words to please their master. Nothing more.
     
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    1. who brought up indictments??? twasnt moi
    2. Annnddd Trumps still gonna be there
     
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    1. Pretty much everyone here who believes Durham or Barr will deliver them what they didn't get today.
    2. Still gonna be impeached though.
     
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    'Failure'? It's only a failure in that Horowitz made preliminary conclusions without all the evidence. Also of note this means information was indeed leaked to Yahoo and the NYT. That's unacceptable as well.

    Corruption it seems, is our daily and new norm. And excuses for that corruption.
     
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    "“The inspector general’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken,” Barr said in a statement.

    “It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory,” he continued. “Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration.”

    “Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,” Durham said in a statement.
    https://uspotus.com/barr-disagrees-with-horowitz-report-on-russia-probe-lauch.html

    I think Mr. Horowitz's conclusions about the origin of the investigation is lacking some key evidence which was outside his limited realm of investigation. It's the rest of his report that is so devastating to the FBI and the players involved.
     
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    I aksed why is it a fail for Trump, it CLEARLY showed the FISA abuses and possible criminal acts. You think the FISA warrants applications and how the FBI went about it got a thumbs up today?

    Read Barr and Durham's responses.
     
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    1. Don't know what will happen as I don't have a crystal ball but id id there's members of FBI who are nervous
    2. Still wont be removed
     
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