US bars entry to International Criminal Court investigators

If it is a kangaroo court, I shudder to think what our courts are.

 

That is correct, further demonstrating the sad shape our judiciary is in.

Cabinet level officers perjuring themselves in front of Congress on TV is more proof of the pathetic condition of our judiciary and criminal justice system.

 

Good that you have managed to recognize the obvious but, this has nothing to do with the fact that we are losing respect and our grip on hegemony.
Leading German politicians on Tuesday called for the US ambassador to be expelled, after the staunch ally of Donald Trump was accused of meddling in domestic politics and aggravating already tense ties.

Richard Grenell had taken up his diplomatic posting in Berlin on May 8, and immediately irked Germany when he tweeted on the same day that German companies should stop doing business with Iran as Trump quit the nuclear deal with the Islamic Republic.


ICC has no jurisdiction in China either but - this does not change the fact that that allies such as Germany and France are giving us the middle finger.

Calls grow in Germany for expulsion of disputed US envoy

https://www.france24.com/en/20180605-calls-grow-germany-expulsion-disputed-us-envoy-0

This is on the back of Germany putting out a budget that fails to increase its defense spending to levels requested by the US .. on the back of going ahead with Nordstream 2.

Our "Do as we say - not as we do" policy is having an impact - and it is not a good one. Just wait until Syria files charges against the US for arming and supporting terrorists. This ICC case in relation to Afghanistan is nothing by comparison.

 

What war crimes did they commit in Malaysia?

 

I don't think they'll have any trouble traveling because they have Secret Service protection and any country who tried to arrest a former president or cabinet member would be crushed by the US.

 

Princeton used congressional record spanning 2 decades to evidence that the people do not get represented by their reps in DC, only our elites and other special interests get represented. So, the republic is as dead a road kill.

This would explain everything!!! Everything that has happened to this nation beginning primarily in the 1980s, through today. Domestically and with foreign policy.

MSM insures no one knows nor pays attention, and we are too busy fight one another over BS to have the energy to actually observe what our reality is.

So forget about it.

 

None, but they committed many in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere.

The legal effort was headed up by Francis Boyle, a law professor in Illinois. For whatever reason, Malaysia was chosen as the venue. The protocol complied with international law, and the witnesses were from different countries, I think mostly Iraq.

 

I think the court action ended up making Dubya cancel a trip to Switzerland. Apparently they advised that if he arrived he would be arrested. Some countries still practice the rule of law.

 

Oh well then, the international court has spoken. Let them enforce it.

See what happens if they try.

 

He shuda went. I'd love to see Switzerland try.

 

Dubya don't like no handcuffs....neither does Dick or Condoleeza or Rummy or the others.

 

Seems to send a message that U.S. officials do not trust the judgement of the international court in determining the difference between what actions are an acceptable part of warfare and what actions constitute war crimes.

This is an example of governments wanting to control availability of information, in this case impeding an investigation. (Not trying to comment whether this is a good or bad thing in this paragraph, just pointing out that governments want to control information)

 

AND Germany and Japan in WWII with bombing of civilians, shooting prisoners
occupying land and imposing political systems. The USA should be tried for this,
and there needs to be war reparations and apologies.

 

An international court is a double edged sword.

Now many high level politicians in First World countries are somewhat concerned they could someday be prosecuted for decisions they made in official capacity when it came to dealing with foreign conflicts.

On some level you have to appreciate this; government eating its own.
Maybe that will ultimately lead to greater appreciation for national sovereignty and individual civil rights, among those high up in the government who have decision-making powers.

 

Self proclaimed 'gods' are laws unto themselves.

​

Take that you fools of misery,
for we are gods of lofty see,
and dwell not like you folks below
who knowest not but what we show.
​

 

There is no democracy at work, and there never has been.

The US has always been ruled by a corrupt, imperial, war mongering oligarchy entirely above the law.

What happened here is nothing new, but a continuation of impervious conduct by the ruling class.

The People have no power whatsoever, and never have.

 

Do I hear beating on a hairy chest?..

 

Reason says well-ordered relations between nations requires establishment of an international rules-based system, requiring modification of the concept of absolute national sovereignty.

But reason resides in the "cortex (thinking)" brain, which is only part of the totality of the human brain; the more ancient (in evolutionary terms) reptilian and mammalian brains are still more powerful in human affairs....the noise of thumping on chests is still remarkably loud...

 

The UN condemned Israel for the deaths of Gazans who attacked
their border fence with Israel last week.
The UN did not condemn Gaza for firing two rockets at Tel Aviv last
week.
Question - do you think Gazans are above the law?

 

The UN voted for the partition of British mandate Palestine.

In the absence of a UNSC that could defend and implement this UN resolution (because the great powers insisted on possession of a veto in the SC), Zionists and Arabs went to war. The rest is history.

Question: would you promote a UNSC that can defend UN resolutions?

(….I thought not….)

Some observations:
1. Note how Conservatives have trouble connecting Rabin's murder, by an Old Testament fundamentalist, with the collapse of the peace process in the Oslo accord, with tit for tat violence leading to 9/11.

2. Islamic terrorism and Right Wing nationalism are both part of this 'tit for tat' escalating violence. ("keep the Muslims out" etc from white nationalists)

3. Toxic scripture within the Old Testament and the Koran are complicit in this tit for tat violence (Jeanette's cartoon is relevant to this point)

 

Who are you talking about here? Germany and Japan committed major war crimes, especially Germany towards Russia, and Japan towards China, Korea and the Philippines. Of course this doesn't excuse our own crimes towards Japan and Germany to end the war.

Wars are evil, and we're heading towards a major war now. There was a time though in Europe, when for all its evil it was a more gentlemanly affair. Only the peasant boys suffered, since they had no choice but to join the kings army to support their families. The drunken bastard Sherman changed that when he marched through Georgia and brought the war to the people..

This song was anathema in Georgia. You sang it at the risk of your life when I was young.

 

And the Zulu's did it too when they invaded South Africa.
And the Spartans at Melos
And the Romans to Carthage
And the North Vietnamese at Hue
And the Cambodian Communist Party (sorry, Khmer Rouge...)

ps there's usually a reason for why America goes to war. It's not
usually to occupy some hapless soul's land.

 

Everything is relative. When your killing Palestinians non stop, and with glee mind you, although your life is not threatened, then two rockets into Tel Aviv is a very small response I should think. Anyway hard handed methods do not work. It didn't work for the Germans, and it's not working for Israel - or they wouldn't have been at war these past decades. Don't you think it's time they stopped and tried something else?.

 

Yes, but to the Europeans credit, they made war into a more gentlemanly affair, and did not kill civilians. The Italian city states were even better. During the Renaissance, the armies made sure they never came in contact with one another.