US Using IllegaI Chemical Weapons in Syria

Yep ... but this can be discussed. Point is how to rate WP ammunition at least, but any discussion about is useless due to fact that it will be an endless issue like a discussion if a glass is half full or half empty!

 

I agree. But legal just means that a bunch of murdering vermin with the power to deem it "legal" have done so

 

ROFL ... you really come with this fairy tale? O dear ... you are really hopeless infested with the Russian Propaganda BS!

 

How to win friends and influence people.

 

Do not forget to fart anything about Russian hackers ... Now it's fashionable.

 

Easy question:

Since when are the jihadists and Islamic terrorists in Chechnya?

Chechens and other Caucasus peoples were mostly independent countries until the mid of 19th century when Russia started expansion into Caucasus in reaction against Ottoman Empire. until about 1870 was more or less a constant civil war existing between Russia and Chechens.
Chechens lived in independence again after the October Revolution for some several years before they were Sovietized in 1921. During the Second World War the Chechens saw the German invasion as an opportunity for an uprising against the Soviet regime. In response, they were massively deported to Central Asia, where they were forced to remain until 1957. Under the strict eyes of the USSR there were no Islamic terrorists to my knowledge! If so, then you yourself know what the KGB did with them!

In 1991, Chechnya declared its independence as the Chechen Republic of the Republic of Jihlava. According to some sources, between 1991 and 1994 tens of thousands of non-Chechen ethnic groups (mainly Russians, Ukrainians and Armenians) left the republic in the midst of reports of violence and discrimination against the non-Chechen population. Other sources do not identify the exodus as a major factor in the events, but point to the worsening situation in Chechnya, the aggressive policy of Chechen President Jochar Dudaev, and the domestic political ambitions of Russian President Boris Yeltsin. The Russian army conquered Grozny in 1994, but after two years of intense struggle the Russian troops withdrew from Chechnya in accordance with the agreement of Chassawjurt. Chechnya maintained its de facto independence until 1999, when war broke out again. During this time until 1999 did no Islamic terrorist exist in Chechnya, but the Islam as religion became more importance over the years and started to rule the live of people too ... as the Orthodox Christian religion did in Russia again!

In 1999, the Russian government's forces invaded Chechnya, in response to the invasion of Dagestan by Chechen forces, who also called on Islam among other things. At the beginning of 2000, the city of Grozny was almost completely destroyed by the fighting, and Chechnya was brought under Russian control.
Right then, since about 2000 is Islamic terror a topic and yes, Chechen rebels are mostly of sort "Islamic terrorist".... SINCE then after Russian invasion which swept away the Chechen government!

And again and again comes this propaganda BS of USA supported them. Aside fact that there is no proof and evidence existing for it (any so called thing was easy proofed to be BS fake), the US had since 2003 an own problem with them. Look at battle of Fallujah in Iraq and who fought there against the US Forces!

 

Until now I see no proof for it delivered so far, but isn't it interesting when Russian government supports righty Nazi parites like German AfD or French FN with millions of money ... and before you deny this, this is proofed and not disputed by any side as fact!

 

Even if this is true and not traditional for the West, Russophobia... Do these organizations commit terrorist attacks or invade other countries? Maybe they like to cut heads like friends of the United States do it?

 

No, but they say the Nazis did right in WW-2 including the attack on USSR / Russia and unfortunately the Nazis lost the war!
Really funny when such scum is financial backed and helped by Russia today, eh?

 

These are legal organizations. If they violate the law, then why does not Germany arrest them? In any case, in comparison with this, it's all a miserable farting of Russophobes.

McCain says everyone in the National Security Team recommended arming ISIS (Sept 05, 2014)

 

The US military does more than any other military organization to prevent loss of innocent life when possible.

Some of the stuff I see people post about our military would be funny if it wasn't so deliberately wrong.

Unfortunately, the enemy to freedom and peace these days hide behind women and children ... uses them as human shields.

An old fable goes something like this: The world is made up of 99% sheep. The other 1% is equally divided between wolves and sheep hounds.

 

There a lot of different groups fighting ISIS here (some of which aren't recognized by the International Community as sovereign governments), they are not "all" bound by International law spelled out in the Geneva Convention. But you said that the US specifically used WP without pointing to any direct evidence (unless it's buried somewhere in one of the many lengthily links you provided). If their is solid confirming evidence somewhere please highlight it. Just because WP was used (even if it was done by coalition led by the US) it does not mean that the US did it or necessarily ordered another group to do so. But that is only the first of several hurdles. Next is understanding that even though the US has agreed not use certain weapons (nuclear, biological, and chemical) in several signed treaties, the have always noted exceptions. Basically just stating that we wouldn't use them preemptively, the US has always reserved the right to take the gloves off if someone else uses any of them first. However, when we're talking about WP, it is also important to note that biological weapons can only be eliminated safely by incendiary weapons. Details do matter here, and I'm not dismissing the issue that it is never acceptable to target highly populated civilian areas with area-effect weapons just because an enemy has deeply embedded itself among that population. Yes, when an enemy uses civilians as human shields that it wrong (illegal) not that I think ISIS cares if something is illegal, but it doesn't negate the fact that it's also illegal to mass target a civilian populated area just because it's hard to hit that enemy now. What we need here is a bunch of information (that would be highly-classified) to have this conversation based on something more than just speculation.

 

Regular American bushit... There are a lot of similar videos.

 

I hate to break it you guys but, all bombs kill people. It's sort of the point. Do you not realize that? Really no?

 

How do you win something if you think nobody cares?

 

WP saves a lot of lives and has for many years. When used properly they are extremely effective in a variety of situations.

The use WP for making smokescreens, by itself, is a good enough reason to keep them around ... as demonstrated by the link in post #25.

Me thinks you're being shown pictures of WP rounds air bursting to create a smokescreen ... horrid pics of dead kids ... and in your mind you're seeing these burning globs of death raining down from a US aircraft on a playground full of children.

Banning them will not keep them out of the hands of belligerent nations who will use WP and anything else they have to kill innocent civilians.

 

Watched until the 2:09 mark when the narrator stated it was easy to determine civilians from jihadis in Fallujah during the fighting there.

Apparently the makers of this "documentary" never bothered to look into the methods and tactics used by the jihadis in Fallujah, much less interview US Marines and US Army troops who were there, or they would have known better.

There were very few civilians left in Fallujah at the time of the assault ... they were warned repeatedly and given safe passage out before the battle began.

 

Sure there are lots of video ... you can find videos of anything you want.

The fun part is watching you guys decide what's going on in each video, as if you were there, and telling us how horrible it all is.

People who believe this tripe have very little knowledge about what happens in and around a battlefield and no idea how US troops conduct themselves.

When you find the video of US troops deliberately targeting kids and innocent civilians you be sure and let me know.

 

Are you trying to justify the use of white phosphorus by the US military apparatus?

 

In the first video they're shooting rounds from what look like GL6 40mm grenade launchers. They are obviously firing smoke or tear gas as there is no large explosions at the target location.

The second video is of the stupid reporters who ran into a firefight and got shot up ... they even brought a kid with them.

In neither video did we see US troops deliberately targeting innocent civilians.

Amazing what some people are willing to believe.

 

Yes, of course I am. WP is extremely useful in various military situations.

In post #25 there is a story of how it was used to save lives. It's use on a small island in the Pacific saved the lives of many US Marines. Every time it's used as a smokescreen it is potentially saving lives.

Another lefty who sees visions of US aircraft sprinkling WP bombs all over the world.

 

White phosphorous shells simply go "PUFF" and make smokescreens.
If the military wanted to kill anybody they'd use shells that go "BANG!"

 

Bloody fools are soldiers of the United States who shot reporters intentionally. These morons even killed a child.

 

Ok so your position on war crimes and crimes against humanity is that you approve.

I can understand that given your mentality.

Except the article from the link never mentions anything about using white phosphorus as a smokescreen or at all. I'm not sure why you need to make things up to justify your support for war crimes. But even if it did, you're saying mass murder (including civilians) via the use of white phosphorus saves lives. Interesting logic.

Who are you referring to? I'm not a lefty, righty or in between (although I am right handed). I also never said anything about "all over the world", just where I know it was used by the US military apparatus. But that has nothing to do with any political position, it's just the facts.