US woman faces huge fine after 'causing coronavirus outbreak in Bavaria'

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Can you also tell me why this should be authoritarian?

    There is a clear state order and legally binding obligation to remain in quarantine at home in suspected cases until the test result is available. What's wrong and / or authoritarian about that, please?

    This objection from you strongly reminds me of such a bullshit slogan on a protest poster of the mask refusers: "My health - my decision (to wear a mask)"

    People who protest with this slogan would have to eat their placard and sign as a punishment. His decision to get infected ... OK ... but if his stupidity to get infected then leads to him infecting others, then "my decision" is over!
     
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    You can cheerlead for China, at least you are not a US Citizen so it's slightly less outrageous.
     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And you can play the donkey and believe every nonsense of scapegoating and so cheerlead Mr. Fake News Donald Trump ...
    And it is irrelevant whether I am US American or not, because these lies and insolence of Donald Trump unfortunately do not stay within the US borders!
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I choose MY President over Chinese Propaganda. YMMV
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    She's utterly blameless. Everybody knows that Corvid doesn't exist and all the dead people are just actors doing their final exam for the Cultural Marxist Academy of Useless Theatrics. It's just a shill to make Trump look bad
     
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    What is the point of your post? A woman broke a local law in Germany and is being punished for it. And what?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Donor

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    Pelosi is the one who should be blamed for American deaths.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Donor

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    Of course it does not exist, what does exist is the Chinese virus.
     
  9. sec

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    what in the heck does Covid have to do with common sense when you are sick? I don't care if you have the flu or common cold. If you are hacking, feverish and fell awful, you stay home. Covid doesn't change that.

    If you look to sensationalize one person who is sick, that is quite pathetic to have to scour the news to prove what?

    Now, when it comes to healthy folks and shutting down their businesses and ruining their lives just for the appearances of doing something, how will those folks be repaid by the govt for the senseless over-reactions?
     
  10. rkhames

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    I am not sure what you are claiming is not true and/or proven. It looks to me that you are claiming that the Wuhan Lab is a pharmaceutical research facility, and you state that the virus may have been released by accident. That is no different then what I posted. But allow me to take it a bit further. In 2018 a US Delegation toured the facility several times between January and March. They sent two unclassified messages to the State Department in Washington, DC identifying a lack of Security protocols and safety measures in handling infectious diseases. So, it is clear to me that the virus came from the lab. What the lab is working on, Pharmaceutical or Bioterrorism, is still in doubt. The Chinese have been saying the there is no link between the lab and the virus. So, it is just a coincidence that the virus just happened to originate in a city where there is a infectious disease lab? I just don't buy it.

    You post is just chocked full of false information. It has been proven that China hid the existance of COVID-19 for more then a month and a half. The first case of the Coronavirus was detected in November in Wuhan.
    I am really not sure what you are claiming that your do not agree with and are claiming is a conspiracy theory. It is a known fact that the first official report of the Coronavirus by china was on December 31, 2019. It is also a known fact that the reason that the report was made was because of a leaked memo from a doctor at the hospital in Wuhan. That memo was warning the hospital staff to utilize infectious disease precautions because staff members were being infected. It is a known fact that the Wuhan Public Security Bureau arrested the doctor for spreading rumors. The doctor was forced to sign a document stating that he had been "making false comments” and disturbing the social order". That doctor's name was Dr. Li Wenliang. A few weeks later, he died from the coronavirus. It is also a known fact that the first cases in Wuhan had actually been documented on November 11. Therefore the virus was being spread around the world for more then a month before China was forced to admit that the virus existed, and it would be another couple of weeks before the actually shutdown the area. Dr. Wenliang got in trouble for pointing out that the virus could be transmitted human to human, but China kept insisting that there was no evidence. Now, does all that seem transparent and open to you. It damn sure doesn't to the rest of the world. Maybe you would like to explain why WHO doctors were not allowed into China until Fedruary, and the CDC doctors were never allowed in?

    As far as the Lab is concerned, you admit that the release could have been accidental. That is what I suggested also. I did not point out that a lot of sources and whistle blowers have indicated that the lab is not a pharmaceutical, but actually a weapons lab. I left that out because it is not provable. Further, there is data that supports the fact that the security and safety protocols at the lab was lax. In 2018. a US State Department team toured the Wuhan Lab three times from January to March 2018. After each of these visits, the inspectors cabled the State Department that the security and safety protocols were non-existent. The cable identified that the lab had been working with coronaviruses in Bats. It stated that there was a lack of technicians trained in the handling of viruses safely as well as investigators. So, it stands to reason that a pandemic that started at a Wet Market supposedly from a bat bite, came from the lab located in that city that has security and safety problems. Yet, China keeps claiming otherwise.

    None of this is a conspiracy theory, and none of it supports your claim that China has been open and transparent. It shows that they have been just to opposite.

    Now, it you want to chase a conspiracy theory then how about China's claim that the US Military brought Coronavirus to Wuhan.
     
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    In short ...

    It stinks like hell to blame China that they spread Corona around the globe with intention ... and such a claim is simply only bullshit and nothing else! Covid-19 is suddenly called the China-Virus in the USA just in a time when relations between US and China are very low after Trump started trade war with them ...

    It looks more like one of these bullshit conspiracy theories where things where put together to create a fitting picture, but woe you scratch on it. You say they know in November? Prove it! Look ... even if there were first strange cases, how long needs CDC in the USA to detect a new virus? There are enough examples where CDC kept silent for many weeks until any public information was done, not to mention informations for other countries! So what is the difference to China please?

    And no WHO and CDC doctors were allowed before February ... so what? Why should China do please? You don't do the same and allow Chinese dictors and WHO doctors and experts in your country at all ... eh?
     
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    Ehm ...
    If you are a suspected case and have been tested, then you have the obligation to stay in quarantine at home until the test result ... this is common sense and a clear order from the authorities.
    Those who do not do that and ignore them and then infect many others are acting grossly negligent to criminal and must be severely punished!
     
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    Do you have such a local law in the US?
    And nice try ... because you personally like to make fingerpointing to my country etc. ... it was an American woman. So I can do the same like you, eh?
     
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    Your decision ... your ignorance to facts to believe the worst President of the USA ever being in White House and being the undisputed master of fake news!

    If Trump tells you that 1+1 = 11 and not = 2 ... but anyone else tells that Trump is telling bullshit and it is = 2 ... you would like to believe Trump ... I know! So be happy to be fooled further 4 years by the biggest criminal POTUS ... if he wins and if he does not then think to make a 16 years presidency like FDR (he openly told in 2017 that it is not impossible he would do if Congress agrees!)

    I'm no US citizen ... but then Trump shall stay inside the US borders with his lies, fake news and bullshit please and don't disturb the rest of the planet!

    Be sure ... if he suddenly dies today due to accident or whatever ... I will not be sad about, for sure not!
     
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    In either of my posts to you, do your see the word "intentional" used or implied in my post? If so, it was not intended. The fact is that China is a secretive society. I know that most countries have their state secrets, but China takes theirs to extremes. The disease was first identified around November 11, but China did not notify the world until December 31. They were forced to identify the disease when a doctor's memo was leaked to the social media. Even after the disease was identified, the country did not shutdown the area for nearly a month. That means that cruise ships were visiting Wuhan, Flights were flying into and out of the international airport, and citizens were allowed to leave the area for other areas of china for two and a half months after the disease was discovered.

    There is no way in the world that China is not responsible for spread of the disease to the world. Yet, I am not saying that it was intentional. There is not enough evidence that supports such a claim. But, it is understandable from another standpoint. Chinese, like most oriental cultures, are big on saving face. They will risk everything, and distort any truth, in order to save face. This is what happened here. In 2015, China opened their first level 4 Infectious disease lab. That lab was identified to have safety and security problems in 2018. Two years later, five years after opening, there is a disease that begins within the same city the lab is located. The report that identified that the lab had problems also identified that they were working with Coronaviruses spread between bats and humans. Yet the first cases were linked to a bat bite at the local wet market. First, China tried to hide the existance to the disease. Then they tried to spin it. All along hiding the data that the world needed to combat the disease. This put the rest of the world behind the 8 ball in dealing with the disease. If the sick had been quarantined, using standard infectious disease protocols, and the area locked down back in November, the disease would have never left Wuhan. Much less, have been spread around the world. If China had not been so secretive about the situation, the number of Coronavirus deaths would have been far less. So, no matter how you stack it, China is to blame.

    Now, you asked why China should have allowed WHO doctors in. The answer is international law, and their UN Charter. The WHO is a UN organization created to handle these type of events. China is a Permanent UN Security Council. They voted in favor of creating the WHO. There is no reasonable answer for keeping the WHO doctors out of the country. Except for trying to hide the problem. Just as they are limiting access to what has happened. One of the biggest problems that we have faced is that China has controlled the information about the disease. The Director General of the WHO should have been working to force the Chinese Government to allow them in to do their jobs, but instead he simply acted as clearinghouse for Chinese misinformation. According to the article that I provided in my first post on this thread, he was trying to play nice with China. He was afraid that if his pushed, they would cut off vital information. But if the WHO had used world condemnation to force China to open it borders, then that vital information would have been out there sooner.

    It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a simple statement of facts. China's secretiveness cause the spread of the virus around the world, and lives were lost because the WHO did not follow it's UN mandate. Whether you like it or not, those are the facts.
     
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    I still don't see the point of your post. Take care.
     
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    Ever consider employment with a propaganda outlet? You could excel at writing hyperbolic op eds.
     
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    Mandelus is not that wrong. Trumps response to the virus has cost 200,000 US lives, 100 of thousands will suffer from the after effects for the rest of their lives. Trump did not response when he had the bad news from Xi, transmitted through the air and 5 times more deadly than the flew, that was late January.
    He down played it, was not honest with us, outright lied and is still doing so and despite 200,000 dead his followers and many US folks do not take it serious.
    It is not an accident that this stupid, rotten spoiled women is a American.
    My freedom, its just the flu, hoax and so on. I get an ear full of this crap every week
    The US R+R facility is closed, no surprise either, to many infected employees and customers, a real hot spot.
    If I would live in Germany near a US base, I would avoid any stores, restaurants and what so ever US soldiers and their families use, because how c19 is marginalized by the US government.
    Just look at the figures of the US Armed Forces, ain't a pretty sight.
     
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