US youth suicide attempts double in nine years

Hello,

I think it's terrible that this kind of news doesn't get more attention. There is a global increase of tensions in that society, and we could interpret that as one of the sign that this society is imploding. Why is that society is imploding is the question ?

 

Nice "original thought" you put into that thread start.

 

Even if the topic is dramatical, a touch of humor is always better. I honnestly think however that we're living the very end of an era, as if we were in 390 in the roman empire, in 1780 in France or 1910 in Russia.

I'm quite curious of the reactions of people, or the hypothesis they put on that. I will give my own opinion later.

 

A lot of people are checking out of this society, either quickly (suicide) or slowly (alcohol/drugs). U.S. life expectancy has dropped three years in a row now.

 

There is aswell a lot of teens who enclose themselves in video games.

 

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Liberal society is like a spinning top slowly losing its momentum

and getting more and more wobbly till it cant stand up

 

Just completed a Continuing Medical Education home study on
Depression and older children.
ACTIVITY seems to be a major influence.
Get kids out of urban areas, away from electronics
and give them "space" to roam.

I would like to see a break down of suicide attempts comparing
urban, suburban and rural kids.
Suspect recreation/play time is also too organized and more void of fun.


Moi
@ChoppedLiver - He's French. Count it as a "disability" and give'im latitude.

Viva Acadia Liberte!​

 

Im doing CME's right now too.

Female veterinarians are through the roof high.

 

oops, just researched.
Rural higher than Urban.
Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

 

Ok thanks, I didn't knew.

"I think it's terrible that this kind of news doesn't get more attention. There is a global increase of tensions in that society, and we could interpret that as one of the sign that this society is imploding. Why is that society is imploding is the question ?"

Happy ?

 

And Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Americans seem desparate to distract themselves. I think, subconsciously, that had a lot to do with Trump's victory. Love him or hate him, he's endlessly distracting.

 

Just look how children have become coddled. Participation trophies etc.. They are not prepared for the real world.

 

Moderators (from my experience) aren't big fans of Members posting Rules and trying to play cop.

I think you are just supposed to report the thread, and leave it to PF's Hard-Working Mods to handle.

Nothing personal, just some friendly advice.

 

perhaps because we are constantly told that it is. we are constantly told that our every action is wrong and liable to cause the destruction of our world. nearly everything about the modern age has to do with the failings of humanity and these children are the most susceptible to this sort of doomsday proselytizing. now add in a culture that thrives on constant interconnection without any actual contact, mix thoroughly with the sexualization of children at a younger and younger age, sprinkle liberally with a massive lack of discipline and lack of parental responsibility and you have a recipe for child suicide on a massive scale. this same recipe also gives us violent children, taking out their frustrations with lethal force.

perhaps we should be asking why more children are not offing themselves or going columbine. if i were a child today i don't think i could stomach the prospect of a life in this brave new world. we have given our children nothing to hope for, nearly abolished the work ethic and confused the crap out of them. masculinity is toxic, boy are girls, criminals are heroes and the indoctrination just never stops. i came of age during the cold war, so i'm no stranger to the whole "we're all gonna die" schtick, but an entirely new layer has been added. not only are we all gonna die, but we deserve it. we're told it's because of the choices we've made, so the great progressive think tanks have decided that choice is the evil and they're gonna take it away from us for our own good. but what is life without choice? our children recognize this, even if their parents are too dull witted to see it.

 

you do realize that 2015 was before trump's election, don't you? just put down the kool-ade and walk away, not everything is trump's fault.

 

I didn't found any statistics for the year 2018 unfortunatly, neither 2017.

 

I don't think any of this is Trump's fault. He's a symptom, not a cause. Can you picture the electorate that elected Reagan electing someone like Trump? I think people in this society wanted someone who would distract them from their miseries.

There are three things I blame for where we're at: Nafta, phones and social media, and pharmaceutical companies.

 

Adolescence is a modern phenomena.
And it has gotten longer and longer over decades.
A disparity of biology and society.

Imagine up to the early 20th Century,
Children had their chores and family responsibilities.
As they grew older, they got more chores and responsibility.
We need to reduce the period of adolescence for those able to accept it.
Not military service, of course, but maybe job training and placement
if that is desired by the individual. Early college placement is already common.


Moi

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us. ​

 

I suppose it's deeper than that. People realize there will be no oil left. The magical new source of energy doesn't exist. There is less jobs, more competition for jobs. Our modern societies are based on the economy, and if the economy is left, there is nothing left. Furthermore, with internet you can get all the violence of the world in the face (the point you're mentionning). Who a desesperate youngster could trust today ? Nobody as far as I know.
Young people spend more time on their videogames, isolate themselves in the same time.
I'm always impressed by the number of suicide jokes among memers.

It's quite interesting to see what's happening in japan, generation of singles with very high suicide rates.

 

I do think this is part of the problems with today's youngsters. I'm seeing many kids who don't have to even help the parents with yardwork such as mowing and weed eating. Kids stay inside in comfort. I am seeing it in my family, cousin's son is 16 and isn't asked to lift a finger. I also see so many who don't get any kind of part time job in high school or even after. Parents pay for everything they need. Stop coddling them! They need to learn the real world.

I also think having both parents working full time is hard on families. Kids need someone there when they get home from school and in the mornings to lead them. Instead we have two stressed out parents who don't have time to do normal family things.

 

Agree fully.

We are seeing "safe spaces", public meltdowns, etc because their parents haven't prepared them for the realities of life.

 

Very sad. Human life used to be valued.

 

Some of them think that somebody should throw them a line to the top right out of high school or right out of college. Never has nor will it ever happen except for the elite political class and silver spoons.

 

I tried to write this more sensitively a few times, but theres just no 'kind' way to say it.

We're protecting children too much. They learn and grow by making mistakes and experiencing the hardship that results from those mistakes. We protect them because its such a tragedy when those mistakes kill them, but by protecting them too much, we're stifling their development, which imo is no less cruel (in effect) than neglect.

I think the sad fact is that we have to give them enough freedom (let them take enough risks) that there will be tragic casualties. But I think the survivors will be far stronger of character and far happier for the experiences and life lessons.

We really need to stop so harshly judging parents who's children died from a lack of helicoptering.

And no, I'm not suggesting neglect either. But there's a balance between no protection and too much, and we're out of balance.