Vaccines

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  1. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    A new way to help the immune system fight back...
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    Personalized Vaccines Hold Cancer at Bay in Two Early Trials
    July 05, 2017 — A novel class of personalized cancer vaccines, tailored to the tumors of individual patients, kept disease in check in two early-stage clinical trials, pointing to a new way to help the immune system fight back.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Granny tells possum if he gets a vaccination - he won't get sick...

    How a Single Shot Keeps You from Getting Sick
    August 17, 2018 | WASHINGTON — Carli Leon remembers hearing the story of a young boy in Spain who died after contracting diphtheria. The 6-year-old boy’s parents had chosen not to have him vaccinated, and he died 28 days after initially showing symptoms. “One of those things that anti-vaxx people say is, ‘Well, [the] U.S. is not a Third World country. Those diseases can’t possibly come back here,’" Leon told VOA.
     
  3. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think the cure for cancer has already been invented, its just hidden because of the loss of revenue companies would make.
     
  4. Mamasaid

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    Um...they would just sell the cure. And saying "there is a cure for cancer" is nonsensical anyway, given the many types of cancer and it's many mechanisms. That's like saying there is a cure for death.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's a one time sale to a customer as opposed to a much longer period of sales.

    I am pretty sure this isn't the first time a new technology was held back due to economical reasons.
     
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    It is? It's a pill that you take once, and no more treatments? And how were you divined this information? Amazing! No other in disease is cured in such a manner...but cancers all are, and by the same pill?

    By the way...those treatments you are talking about...they are cures for cancers. Why aren't they being withheld, for the same reason?

    Easy answer: your goofy theory is bogus.

    And I am pretty sure that drug companies scramble to patent and sell every single medicine and treatment that is effective in any way at all. I believe that I more compelling than your nonsense.
     
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  7. The Don

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    I think that is a disgusting allegation and that you should be ashamed of yourself.

    I know a number of people who work in pharmaceutical research from scientists who are doing the primary research through to senior executives responsible for coordinating large scale global drugs trials. They work on a variety of different kinds of drugs but the one thing that unites them is a desire to produce better treatments and cures. For sure in some cases that desire is not entirely altruistic, they also want to become prominent in their field, but mostly it's because they want to make people better.

    The idea that these people would willingly hold back on a treatment that would save millions of lives a year in order to allow "big pharma" to keep raking in the money for partially effective treatments is quite frankly an insult to them and their professional integrity.

    It's easy to sit around on the sidelines and throw around lazy allegations but if you understand why some of these good people got involved in pharmaceutical research, you'd see what nonsense your allegations are. For example, I first met the friend who runs the drugs trials more than 30 years ago at university. I was in my final year of a very undistinguished Physics degree, he was in the first year of biochemistry. From that day to this, his primary focus has been the development of better medication for heart disease because of the number of family members he lost due to it.

    The idea that he would sit on, or allow his employer to sit on, a medical breakthrough is insulting to the point of almost being actionable in law - and you have the temerity to call yourself a Christian - shame on you.
     
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    I just go with ordinary vaccines.

    I recently got a HepA vaccine because I often have to deal with street people in my job.

    I'll get the booster for it in October. At that time I'll add to it a TB vaccine and also tetanus.

    Many of the street people also have TB in addition to HepA, B, and C.

    And tetanus is a risk from their knives.

    I wear a plate-carrier bullet proof vest with 4 plates. But their knives could nip me as it bounces off my vest.
     
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    Look at Canada, they are well known for holding back certain drugs that could help with cancer for economic reasons.

    That's why many Canadians come to the US where our treatments are available.

    Their reasons are always things such as "we have to put it through our own trials" or something along those lines.
     
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    No, that's a completely different issue. In this case the drug has been developed and has come to market but there is doubt whether the clinical effectiveness of the drug warrants the cost.

    If the drug is far more expensive, but no more (or indeed less) effective, than the existing treatments then it should not be offered.

    That's not at all the same as your allegation that the cure for cancer has been found but that the drug companies are suppressing it

    It's also a good demonstration why an independent assessment of the effectiveness of treatments should be carried out. People with cancer are very poor judges of what treatment to have. Many are desperate and will try anything, especially if the cost does not fall directly onto them.

    Yes, they need to demonstrate that the drugs are both safe and more effective than nothing or placebo (that's what clinical trials do) but many health services also validate that the new treatment is more effective than existing treatments and delivers value for money.

    Once again, none of this relates to your insulting, and frankly disgusting, conspiracy theory that cures have been developed but that the drug companies are sitting on them, preferring instead to line their pockets by just treating symptoms. That's a pathetic slur on the hard working men and women who have devoted their lives to medical research.
     
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    Jeez Louise! Getting the cost down is the issue as well as more immunotherapy.
     
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    Dear lord

    Are you working I'm a war zone?
     
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    That is unsupported twaddle straight from the likes of "infowars"
     
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    Considering the number of people involved in cancer research, I'd find it hard to believe that someone found a cure-all AND managed to keep it a secret. Makes me think the folks who believe that to be true are imagining some lone mad scientist from a movie, disheveled hair, wacky from too much caffeine and no sleep, stumbling upon this magical cure-all in their basement. Then they burn down the house and disappear into the night with only 1 vial of the stuff only to reemerge years later as a Mission Impossible-esque bad guy using chemtrails to seed the Earth with cancer so that they can sell the magic cure.

    But seriously, were this magical cure to exist, it would still be sold to the rich, for lots and lots of money. But the more people you sell it to, the less chance it would remain a secret. And it's not like once it's found, nobody else could find it again. It's wouldn't be like a physical object that you can then take and hide, it would still exist as a process that anybody else could still potentially find on their own.

    The real answer though, is that cancer is not a specific disease, but a name given to a huge multitude of different conditions with different causes. In a way, it's no different than the terms "stomach ache" or "headache".
     

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