Discussion in 'Food and Wine' started by Wolverine, Nov 7, 2012.
So I am going vegetarian for a month to see how it works.
Anyone here vegetarian, and why?
I am Vegen.
Vegetarian, or vegan? They're not the same.
Honestly, I gag at the thought of being Vegan/Vegetarian. The thought of drinking soy milk---ugh!
I need and want meat, but usually eat very little meat-- usually large servings of vegetable and starch.
Soy milk is good stuff, especially the vanilla flavored soy milk.
I used to crave meat- like a big, juicy steak, but I got over that.
Consider this : the line of dedicated vegan hominids known as paranthropus extinct more than 1mya
Okay now say it in English.
I was asking him.
Soy milk, or almond milk is much better tasting than regular milk - I'm not a vegan but I use either of those (almond milk preferred) in my protein shakes - it's much smoother and doesn't have a nasty milk fat taste. I way prefer it to regular milk.
My guess is that the average vegan eats a lot of beans as their protein substitute. Not necessarily soy.
I would rather be dead.
From years of sports training I can tell you that being a lacto-ovo is a very healthy life style. Vegan not so much. Most Vegans are deficient in many nutrients and the stress brought on by the lifestyle isn't good for you.
Stress is a big thing that most people don't think about when it comes to healthy living. Every rule is another thing to stress about. When you see these people who go over the edge on health they usually look (*)(*)(*)(*)ing haggard because the stress out about every little thing. Trust me that GM plant isn't going to do anything close to your body that stressing out about that GM plant is doing.
I cooked a vegetarian meal every evening for a month, then ran out of ideas. Right now I am trying the caveman diet which means a lot of veggies but allows meat. Avoiding all processed foods, grains, dairy,etc has actually had a very positive effect on my guts. I have also lost 25 pounds on it and without paying any attention to watching what I eat. I think one reason is that by avoiding most carbs except fruit that your insulin level stays fairly even not causing those dips that make you want to binge.
My sister is a vegetarian. I realize there are varying degrees of this, some drink milk, eat eggs but no red meat...others are more strict. My sister eats fish and uses dairy products but avoids pork, beef, chicken, turkey..etc.
I've had the unfortunate experience of dining on one of her Tofu substitues for a Thanksgiving dinner.
Over consumption of red meat can lead to high cholesterol, so I avoid that, but I won't give up chicken...and eat alot of fish also. Quite frankly, I find vegetables lacking in sustenance.
It takes plenty of experimenting and knowledge to know what type of combinations of food you should be eating. If you just keep eating everything you eat now but without the meat, that is probably not going to work well for you.
At first you will begin to have strong cravings for meat, but after many months you will get to a point that meat just no longer seems appetizing to you.
I suggest combining several different types of protein sources: beans, tofu, seeds, peanut butter, exotic grains like quinoa, and perhaps whole milk and natural yoghurt (without added sugar).
When you go without meat, eating whole grains become much more important. Whole grains have protein that will help compensate, and more fiber that will help make you feel satisfied and not hungry.
If you can't stick to a vegetarian diet, do not feel bad. Just because you can't go without meat does not mean you cannot eat less meat. Use smaller portions and supplement them with vegetables that have some protein. for example, green beans, or you can add pine nuts to rice pilaf.
What I cant get with many vegans is the (*)(*)(*)(*) they believe. I've heard so many of them say that vegans don't die of heart disease. Uh you can look at any study of mortality amongst diets. Heart disease is still the #1 killer of every group and sub-group including vegans.
Once you get to the occasional meat eater, laco-ove, and vegan their is no statistical difference in mortality.
No matter what I eat, I will probably still experience what runs in the family. Besides, no one gets out of this alive anyway.
me too vegetarian and also against the animal killings
I'm not vegetarian, but vegan, because being vegetarian for moral reasons is completely illogical and inconsistent with the purpose (not trying to get on my high horse, but simply pointing out that it makes no sense). Good for your for starting somewhere, though. And if you end up cheating, don't give up. I think for most people, it's easier to just slowing cut things out of their diet instead of shock themselves with a big diet change.
I never drink soy milk. Who says you have to drink soy milk? Also, I gag at the thought of all of the problems with dairy. Puss, antibiotics, hormones, cortisol, etc. Freaking gross.
You also don't need meat.
The American Dietetic Association:
The American Heart Association
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
I'm a vegetarian. Rule of thumb: I don't eat animals themselves, but I do eat animal products. So eggs, cheese, milk, etc are all okay although I try to go for the free range vegetarian fed stuff where possible. It's for various reasons really. Personally I'm not too fond on the idea of killing animals, and it's a really simple change you can make. Also it's a bit of a personal challenge: seeing if I have the willpower. Everyone makes it out like being a vegetarian is hard and tiresome, it's not! The first fortnight feels a bit like withdrawal, but after that it's all smooth sailing. Three weeks in and I wasn't even thinking about it, and it's just natural now.
If you're planning on going vegetarian/vegan (especially if you're female - lots of Iron is lost through menstruation), I'd recommend having a quick chat with your GP. I didn't though and it's worked out fine. 20 months I've been vegetarian, I barely monitor my diet at all (a vegetarian diet usually chucks in a lot of the stuff you need anyway), and I've never felt better. If you feel ill see a doctor straight away!
Fair enough - for most people simply switching to more sustainable eating habits is sufficient: eating meat only where necessary and using free range eggs, that sort of thing. That's so easy there's pretty much no excuse
Correlation =/= causation. In this case it isn't even a correlation just one example.
Just as stupid an argument as the one Windigo criticizes below
Yeah, all that new age stuff is crap. Go vegetarian for personal reasons, not because of some dodgy science. I can't stand people who claim that meat will kill you or it's neurotoxic or any of that stuff. zzz.
You know, there's more food than just soy for vegans and vegetarians. You've given up on the diet before you even know anything about it. It would be like you eating raw whale blubber and then saying you don't like a meat eating diet. Sampling one single item of food in SOME people's diet is a completely unfair assessment.
That's false. Vegans just have to make sure to carefully plan there diet. I'm vegan and I lift weights and run all the time. I'm even more active than I was before going vegan. Also, see the studies I posted. Doctors disagree with you.
I can go with just meat and veggies. I dont miss bread. I dont rule it out though. How does one never eat pizza again? A good steak is like desert for me. Cow, deer, I even ate a groundhog once.
One thing I could never go without is coffee.
I tried to eat Hummas once and it about killed me. Nobody should have to eat that. You have something wrong with you if you like Hummas
Out of curiosity, why are you against the killing of animals but not all of the pain the suffer before hand? All animals that are used for dairy and eggs are tortured and eventually killed, so it's really no different than the animals grown specifically for meat. This is why I find vegetarianism on moral grounds illogical and inconsistent.
Vegans are much healthier than the rest of the population, but I think it is mostly because they are also eating healthier.
Anyone that eats more whole grains and vegetables, and tries to eat healthier with less sugar will live longer with fewer diseases.
However, all things equal with two people both on a healthy diet, I still believe that eating less meat will make you live slightly longer. Some meats are better than others.
I am also of the opinion that eating just a very small quantity of meat is slightly better than absolutely not eating any meat at all, but that is a contentious theory. Either extreme is probably not the best thing.
I really like chickpeas (Hummas is just ground up chickpeas), they're brilliant in a curry, and go well with dahl and other East Asian type foods. Rule of thumb: anything on its own is usually bad
There are three components to this:
1. I emotionally dislike the thought of killing animals/putting them through undue suffering.
2. Ethically I wouldn't have any problem going up to a cow and milking it, for example - or taking eggs from a chicken. Also, animal products are incidental in the production of meat, so eating eggs isn't necessarily contributing to the demand for chickens. A weak argument, but it makes animal products "less bad" than animals straight up.
3. I'm mostly too lazy and can't be bothered to set up a proper diet.
It's a cop out I know, but it's better to be doing something than nothing
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