Who says you can't eat pizza? You can't make pizza without meat or dairy, you know. I love vegan pizza. You can get vegan cheese, throw on some vegan meat substitutes or just have a vegetable pizza. I through on a bunch of green/red peppers, tomato, vegan cheese. It tastes great! Why would you have to go without bread or coffee? Whether those animals are killed or not, they're going to be used for dairy and eggs. Also, dairy cows are tortured worse than beef cows because they are hooked up to milking machines a lot. They are continuously impregnated so that they lactate, and their babies are continually ripped from them and tortured in one way or another. Their male babies are stolen from them and stuck in small crates for veal. If you know anything about veal, you know this is incredibly cruel treatment. Male chicks at the egg farms are just tossed into the grinder and then thrown away. The hens have been bred to produce a lot more eggs, which is brutal on their bodies. So, this is all directly contributing to the torture and slaughter of animals. The large majority of farms do not have people "going up to a cow and milking it." They're caged, raped, constantly impregnated, and having their babies stolen. People are not walking up and picking up eggs from chickens. They are torturing them by mutilating them without anesthetics, breeding them to constantly leg eggs no matter how brutal it is to their bodies, cramming them in cages in the dark, and grinding up and throwing away their male offspring. People are not prancing through fields, dancing with cows, unlike those ridiculous California dairy commercials. The reality is brutal and ugly. Well, at least, you're honest. I'll agree with you there. Just wanted to give you something to think about.
Vegetarian most of my adult life. Works for me. People here going 'ew' about vegetarianism, but truly, the thought of even a slightly bloodied steak makes me sick. I had a friend over for dinner recently, thought I'd make an effort to cook what they liked - meat. Very unpleasant experience. The kitchen stank of meat. I had to make sure I didn't smell the meat, it was so gross. Then I ended up chucking out the pot I cooked the meat in. The concept of meat-eating I find really gross. Meat is hard to digest. Sits in the stomach putrifying a long time. I love every kind of vegetable, every kind of fruit, nuts, brown rice, beans, and love lentils. There are thousands of fantastic vegetarian recipes. Ingredients are vast. Very healthful. And the body doesn't feel heavy and sluggish from consuming food that is so hard to digest such as meat it.
Good luck if ever there weren't a trader Joe's around the corner... [video=youtube;dLpCZ8g5uK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8[/video]
Slightly bloodied? lol, I eat mine rare - about 10 seconds on the grill on each side, add some spices. The thought of eating a 'well done' steak makes me sick - I'd rather eat boot leather.
In a sense yes - though it is possible to eat completely vegan without nutrient deficiency. You'd likely have to take supplements (ex. amino acids), and eat a lot of beans or non-animal protein soruces - I'm in agreement that stress in general is probably worse for you than a little chemical in your diet.
Even then your diet will still be deficient in many nutrients. Fats and proteins especially. You posted your link on milk and IGF-1 suggesting that hormone treated milk leads to higher IGF-1. That is total bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Ingested protein-peptide hormones don't make it past the gut and liver. They have to be injected to be absorbed by the body. The reason those who consume milk have higher IGF-1 levels is because IGF-1 production in the body positively correlates casein intake. Vegan diets are deficient in casein as such most vegans are deficient in IGF-1 this is not a good thing. All hormones are the bodies regulators. Too much or to little is never good. The vegan diet tends to lead to endocrine deficiency because the diets is deficient in the essential building blocks for hormones those being amino acids and cholesterol. And no the doctors don't disagree with me. You are just cherry picking studies and using multiple studies to create connections that don't exist. Such as study A fond that milk has IGF-1. Study B found that high levels of IGF-1 is associated with greater cancer risk. Study C found that those who consume milk have higher IGF-1 than those who don't. Therefor hormone treated milk is associated with cancer. That is a false connection. The IGF-1 in milk doesn't make it past the digestive system. Dangerously high levels associated with cancer are almost always the result of a pituitary problem. Lastly milk consumption correlates with IGF-1 levels because of casein is the essential building block for IGF-1 without it the body will be deficient. You see the 3 studies have no connection. Propagandists associate them by basically lying by omission and letting the mind fill in the blanks. If you didn't know the other sciences and were biased to believe the source your mind would make a false connection.
Uh, why? You don't think there's non-animal fat or protein? You really shouldn't get your fat from animals anyway. Most of it is horrible for you. blah blah blah. I think I'll go with medical associations over some random guy on the internet who doesn't even know you can get protein and fat from things other than animals.
There are many types of fats and proteins. Not all of your fats and proteins are available from non-animal sources. Since we have been talking about casein that would be a good example of an animal protein that one cannot get through a vegan diet. You rather weak collection of scientific studies where you make a false connection between studies is a good example. Casien is essential for human health yet vegans like to argue that it is bad for you. Thats bullhsit! Yes cancers need IGF-1 to grow. Yes too much IGF-1 is associated with cancer risk. Cancers need IFG-1 to multiply as do all cells. But too little IGF-1 is also bad for you. To rob the body of casien so it cannot make IGF-1 is akin to robbing the world of oxygen to stop wildfires. There is no such support from true medical associations. You links are loose combinations of various studies tied together with extreme bias by an activist organization. The IGF-1 milk connection being the most obvious. Not exactly reliable. As I said in the beginning. I regard laco-ovo as being a very health lifestyle. Veganism goes off the deep end and is just a religion. Veganism starts at the conclusion and tries to work back. When faced with an inherent problem such as the diet being deficient in an essential protien like casein the religions try and argue that casein isn't essential and is in fact bad for you.
If I'm being honest I simply don't "get" the Vegan thing. I can fully understand why someone would choose to be a vegetarian, but vegan is just one step above insanity. Maybe it boils down to personal experience, but almost every vegan I've met is worried about harming animals and goes to extreme lengths to tell me how evil it is to eat meat. What they fail to realize is that plants and everything else we consume as humans are also living organisms...in other words...just because it doesn't have a "face" doesn't mean it can't experience pain. If they were so concerned about harming living things then they should really stop eating vegetables and fruits as well. Personally, I absolutely love vegetables, fruit and fish, and I rarely have red meat. I've also lost 55 lbs. since February, after a struggle with a back problem contributed to some weight gain. There is no magic system of healthy living that will work for everyone as everyone's nutritional needs are going to be different, but I can also say that being a competetive runner for many years people need to replace what they metabolize throughout the day. I eat healthy, but also take multivitamins, antioxidant calcium, Coenzyme Q10, Fish Oil w/Omega 3's, Cranberry supplements, Glucosamine & MSM, and a few other supplements. Currently, my Triglycerides levels are at 47 (in other words almost non-existant), my cholesterol is extremely low (my HDL is average, and my LDL is extremely low), I have very low Glucose levels, and my resting heart rate is 48. In other words, I'm actually in better condition now than when I was running 20+ miles per day while on a college cross country and track scholarship. So no, just because someone is a vegetarian or vegan doesn't mean they are healthier. I've known many of both persuasions that still eat horribly and either don't get the nutrition they need or are still overweight despite their refusal to eat meat.
In part, the true vegetarian chooses to avoid animal meat, milk, eggs, etc. on the basis of the unethical treatment of animals. This is my sister's rationale though she does eat fish, consumes milk products like cheese and eats eggs... I'm not so sure the decision to choose vegetarianism is entirely health related for every vegetarian.
I think that if a person does decide to go vegetarian he or she should do some homework on how to get the proper amount of nutrients into the body. I do not know that much about it being a meat eater. But there are rules I am sure. I read something once about eating two different varieties of vegetables to get complete protein. You may also want to grow a good garden...nothin like fresh home grown tomatoes...and sweet corn...and peppers...and brocolli...the list goes on and on.
No but my diet is close. Soy milk, lots of beans and greens. Hell I had broccoli and spinach for breakfast the other morning. Been days without meat before.
Just remember to have mercy for the rest of the world. You have to prepare your beans right so the fiber is somewhat broken down and then take some beano. Canned beans are a no no. The canning makes it very difficult for the fiber to break down and you are left as a human composter. For ratio I find that equal parts dried grain, to cooked beans provides the right balance of proteins.
Honestly the last time I had dried 15 bean soup was the worst I have ever had; I had the TV and the entire living room to myself. I generally have black beans, snap beans, cow peas, black eye and garden peas. The white beans can cause me to clean the toilet from time to time.
I think going vegan or vegitarian for "moral reasons" is absurd. Animals eat other animals, period. Nature is harsh. Saying it's wrong for humans to eat meat is like saying it's wrong for a bear to eat meat. Also, I've never seen a healthy looking vegan in my life. They always look pale and their faces look sunk in like they're strung out on meth.
Yeah but increasing the green and decreasing the read is healthy. I cut back on beef and moved to more fish.
Youre the first person in a year to catch on to that. I was wondering how long I would take. No I am not Lars. I am a vegan though.
There is nothing in red that is inherently bad for you. Cholesterol, fats, and animal proteins are needed in the diet. Its that while excess greens doesn't cause many problems too much red does.
