Vikings In The East, The Normans

I don't know that part of the world at all, but I would have to assume that wheels were used in other ways..

 

The Incas absolutely did not knew what the wheel is.

 

A little bit about Arabic. I think that a very small part of this forum did not knows that they always using the Arabic characters in their lives

 

LOLOL.. Yep.

 

Not in any application.. even as a pulley?

 

They were just drag without wheels. Their only wheel was spinning in the sky. This wheel is called the Sun.

 

The Viking slavers were using Arab Navigators by the 10th century so were the Chinese.

 

M-m-m yes, Vikings. Their Ulfberht swords were an incredible craftmanship.


On Nova tonight:


The Vikings were among the fiercest warriors of all time. Yet only a select few carried the ultimate weapon of their era: the feared Ulfberht sword. Fashioned using a process that would remain unknown to the Vikings’ rivals for centuries, the Ulfberht was a revolutionary high-tech tool as well as a work of art. Considered one of the greatest swords ever made, it remains a fearsome weapon more than a millennium after it last saw battle. But how did Viking sword makers design and build the Ulfberht, and what was its role in history? Now, NOVA uses cutting edge science and old-fashioned detective work to reconstruct the Ulfberht and finally unravel the "Secrets of the Viking Sword."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/secrets-viking-sword.html

 

The vikings from Sweden, led by Ingvar den Vittfarne, made it all the way into the Caspian Sea and then inland to plunder, proven by both Gobustan's ancient petroglyphs, carved by vikings in Azerbaijan, and the Gripsholm Runestone in Mariefred, Sweden.

Most people do not realize that jungle/ subtropical and temperate rainforests exist along the southwest mountainous coasts of the Caspian Sea. This is unusual because the Caspian Sea is landlocked in the middle of Asia, where nearly all of the terrain is desert or grassy plains.

Azerbaijan is mostly an arid mountainous country, and Iran is mostly desert, but both countries contain pockets of humid forest. In Iran the jungles are found in Mazandaran and Gilan provinces.

Lerik in Azerbaijan
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Northern Iran
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Another coincidence, the Iranians (Persians) refer to themselves as "Aryans". Many of the people of Persia historically descend from a group of people that migrated from the north. In historical documents, many persians were described as having blue eyes, but this genetic trait has almost entirely disappeared today. During the spread of Islam, many arab people migrated into Iran, although Iranians do not consider themselves an arab people. In India also, the lighter skinned Aryans migrated from Turkmenistan. (Hindu scriptures tell of Aryans who came from the North, it also describes soma* which was commonly used by the ancient people in Turkmenistan) In a few remote mountain tribes in Afghanistan, the people could easily be mistaken for germans (blonde har/blue eyes), which is evidence that the region was once inhabitated by ligher skinned people before other darker skinned people came. Some of this was the basis for the Nazi ideological theory that an ancient "Aryan race" once inhabitated a vast area, and that the germanic peoples are the purest descendants of the Aryans. While there may be some truth to this hypothesis, it is in many ways not correct. It is not known with certainty where the original Aryans originated. The Aryans from India seemed to have come from present day Turkmenistan, whereas in Iran there is evidence that the northern settlers came from the caucasus region (Georgia and Azerbaijan). However, the people in Turkmenistan today are Turks who have more mongoloid/asian features. The people on the northern coast of the Caspian Sea have historically been Khazars, from whom the ashkenazic jews probably descended from (more irony). As for the Caucasus region, there have been countless migrations of many ethnicities into and through the region throughout history, wiping out whatever legacy there might have been of a "original caucasian race" or "aryan people" who once lived there.

While the people of Europe almost certainly have strong ancestory from the Caucasus region, and while the northern people known as Aryans had much lighter skin, there is little evidence that the "Ayans" of Nazi theory are the historical Aryans that migrated into India and Iran.

*Soma was a a hallucinogenic drink (tea) made from ephedra, cannabis, and crushed opium poppy seeds

 

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You don't know that...

 

I am one of those. Do enlighten me.

 

You need to make your way there, Margot. Even just to feel Macchu Picchu. It is a bit of a tourist trap but loses no marvel for it. The country is full of marvels and I am not easily impressed. The people live, grow and pick crops from slopes so steep they are standing picking potatoes in front of their faces without having to stoop. Stone irrigation channels criss crossing the mountains were laid by the Incas centuries ago and farmers use them to transport crops from the mountains down to the road. The stones used in ancient buildings are massive and use no mortar, but are so well matched it's impossible to slide a piece of paper between them. It's a truly amazing country (I am touching only the tip) and you must go there before you die.

 

inca's did know about wheel but they like the aztecs used them for kids pull toys...considering the terrain where they lived and the often steep and narrow mountain trails carts were not just not practical, as well there were no suitable animals to pull carts, lamas are not that strong and temperamental...but lamas are great at carrying small loads up very steep and treacherous mountain trails...and necessity being the driver of invention there just wasn't any need for the wheel in inca culture...

 

Ibn Fadman is the name I was trying to remember.

 

Granny says, "Dat's right - prob'ly fer the politicians an' Wall St. bankers o' their day...

Stonehenge may have started as a giant graveyard for elite
March 9, 2013 - Archeologists believe the famous Stone Age monument in Southern England may have started as a burial site for elite families.

See also:

Researchers say crystal found at bottom of English Channel may be a fabled sunstone
March 8,`13 — A rough, whitish block recovered from an Elizabethan shipwreck may be a sunstone, the fabled crystal believed by some to have helped Vikings and other medieval seafarers navigate the high seas, researchers say.

 

The Phoenicians were master sailors, and their accomplishments were considerable, especially considering the date. It's hard to know the exact extent of their travels, but it has been brought up that they may have visited America quite a while before ether the "Vikings", or Columbus.. Either them or the West African's, which may explain the presence of the stone heads on the east shore of South America.

Also, thanks very much for the OP. Like candy to a kid

Yeah, much of history, as it's learned in the west, is dictated through British filters and they prove unreliable at a certain level. Your best bet is to try and find an independent researcher from the native land to get another perspective, if not the better perspective.

The Arabian chroniclers were some of the most astounding record-keepers in the world. They had gathered knowledge both from the West, the far East, and the South. I always felt it a great robbery that Western education focused so much on the Greeks when that very little civilization was dwarfed on all levels by Southern and Eastern civilizations older and greater than themselves.

The Natives of America are infamously overlooked for their achievements.

 

How nice that this old thread continues to entertain.

 

Oh, wow. Didn't even notice it was old. Turned up in the recent posts section.

How could I turn down Vikings?

 

I also kinda wondered if people in Britain or Sweden (or that general area) find Vikings to be the bad-ass marauders American's do, or is that just over here in America?

Like if I was to ever dress up in a Viking costume over there, people would wonder what the hell my problem was...

 

I love this kind of stuff.. but I do put some people to sleep with it.

 

Not with me. The only stale thing I find about it are the textbooks.

They say the Bible is the best-selling book, but it is only a chapter in history.

 

borderline racism...and totally untrue, being ancient and Indian is European bias, those people were every bit as intelligent as modern man, Mayan mathematics was far advanced of contemporary Europeans ....

 

lamas are not strong enough to carry men very far forget about them pulling multi-ton blocks of rock...

 

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