Violence in Chemnitz, Saxonia, Germany

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and when you have you can reply to my post.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    update

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/violence-in-chemnitz-saxonia-germany.541250/page-2


    One of the 'hooligans' apparently was working at a refugee centre but has been sacked. I think I am right they are run by the private sector not the government.
     
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    ironic, coming from someone who denies the Holocaust and routinely attacks Jews
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was a big thing in Germany for the Germans. I'm judging only by the responses and emotions in the German forum...

    https://www.politikforen.net/showthread.php?182135-Toter-in-ChemnitzIt doesn't take much to

    over 9 000 answers!! A lot of people are unhappy with Merkel and her team. It doesn't take much to ignite a riot. The Germans have had it, it seems. But the majority knows it is better to keep the status Quo going a little longer.
     
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    What do you mean a big thing? To be frank I have not followed it all that much but from what I can gather it was not something all that uncommon - for whatever reason I do not know there was a fight which resulted in a death. While clearly it would be better that this did not happen it is not that uncommon. It appears that because the man who did the stabbing was an immigrant or refugee this was exploited by those with aspirations to fascism. It can be too easy to get people stirred up particularly in East Germany where I understand they do not have much experience of migrants/refugees.

    I do not speak German.

    Oh you are meaning that the marches and the violence against non 'pure blood Germans' as Sobo would say was a big thing. Yes I would think it was and that seems to be how they were speaking about it in Parliament. In the article which I left and I think you did not look at the author expresses her concerns that the young now do not remember and that is making them vulnerable.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ast-ideology-europe-germany-fascism-far-right

    Can you explain that a little more.
     
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    For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. I know that is a scientific expression, but it also applies to events in general. Merkel screwed up, and we're now seeing the consequences of it.
     
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    As almost always, simplifications, overgeneralisations, too much cluelessness, and even idiocy (media owned by the government, face palm).
    The case in Chemnitz was a rather big thing in the media and in public debate, but has calmed down quite a bit now. The people who started the riots were a rather small number and can clearly be defined as far-right extremists. Chemnitz is located in Saxony and that state has probably the highest number of far-right activists in Germany who are also well organised, so in that respect, no surprise that this happened in Saxony.
    The typical argument used by the illinformed is that these people represent the general population, hence incorrect claims like "The Germans have had enough" etc. When the protests in Chemnitz started, there were also 'ordinary' folks attending those rallies, the violence was initiated by said far-right groups who were also responsible for attacking and destroying a Jewish restaurant as well as hunting people of colour or people who they thought didn't look German.These are not ordinary Germans, one clearly has to differentiate between these groups. On the other hand, of course, there are people unhappy with Merkel's policies, but they don't hunt down non-Germans nor do they set fire to Jewish restaurants.

    That German speaking forum (I'm fluent in German) has tons of typicall conspiracy stuff. One user claims the police deliberately didn't name the nationalities of the culprits - wrong. The day the attack happened, reports clearly said: knife attack, victim German citizen of Cuban heritage, culprits Syrian, Iraqi, later on police arrested a third man from Afghanistan. Besides, how is an internet forum with a few thousand users representative of a country with 82 million people? That's quite silly.
     
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    hope all the Nazi scum are arrested
     
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    I have to admit that I didn't read more than a small fraction of the 9 000+ opinions. It is way to tiresome for me. But my impression nevertheless was, that the Germans were upset. Am now glad to learn from you, an ordinary German, that it wasn't a big event. You are right, these kind of stabbings by immigrants happen frequently and are not a big deal. Usually the German police sweeps it under the carpet and the news doesn't report it in many cases. It is just as in Sweden... keep the criminology of the rapefugees hidden away from the public. Pretend multiculturalism is a natural thing and needs to be fully embraced and accepted as natural.
    Listen to Barbara Spectre...


    The Jews know best what is good for the Swedes and the Germans etc. That's why Israel doesn't accept refugees!
     
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    stop blaming the Jews for your problems
     
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    If you reply to my comment, please make sure you reply to what I actually said as I'm not really interested in people repeating meaningless empty phrases that have little to do with the comment they just quoted.
    The police does not sweep anything under the carpet and the news report these things. Crimes committed by refugess/immigrants are recorded and also published for everyone to see and read. And nowhere did I say that the thing in Chemnitz wasn't a big event or that stabbings by immigrants happen frequently and are 'not a big deal' (since you made that claim, maybe you could post a reliable source to support it). Either you deliberately distort the facts or this is a typical case of very bad reading comprehension. Don't bother replying if you're not willing to reply to what I said (instead of spreading some incorrect pseudo facts which usually include antisemitism and Holocaust denial).
     
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