Violence is connected to poverty not race

If you control for income, black and white poverty rates essentially even out. Poor people are much more likely to commit and to be victims of violent crime.


Interestingly, poor hispanic people are significantly less likely to commit violent crime than poor whites or blacks. One theory is that lower income immigrants are actually living at a higher standard of living that they were in their country of origin and for that reason are less likely to commit crime.


Source: https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

• For the period 2008–12—
• Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
• Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
• The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
• Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

 

Okay but poverty is connected to intelligence and there's a sweet spot of about 85 IQ where a lot of violent crime starts to take place and that's where Africans are usually Africans are under that that's where Latinos are and that's where a lot of Islamic extremists tend to be.

 

What the what? Holy cow!

 

I'd love to see your source there.

IQ is not an accurate way to measure intelligence. It is highly cultural and only really looks at one or two kinds of intelligence.

 

Name a racial group that has disproportionately high violent crime rates that also has high (above 100) average IQs.

I Dare You .

 

I don't even get your point

 

Balderdash. The world is teeming with abjectly poor people who never commit crime.

Crime is entirely a product of culture. Either personal (within a family), or social (the broader community).

 

So poor whites commit more violence than poor blacks and poor Hispanics? Then are the not-poor blacks and Hispanics the ones committing the disproportionately high levels of crime? That would contradict the #1 excuse that leftists like you give to explain away their crime rates.

 

I think it has less to do with poverty and more to do with educational attainment. It just so happens that poor whites and minorities tend to have lesser access to educational quality.

 

And what drives higher academic attainment?

CULTURE

 

How poor and violent a group is is determined by how intelligent they are overall. Black Americans score the lowest on IQ tests and they are the group that is responsible for the most crime especially violent crime in proportion to their population and they are also the most impoverished group.

The group with the second-lowest average IQ scores is Hispanics who have a high percentage of violent crime and poverty rates in proportion to their population compared to whites and Asians but not as much as blacks.

The groups with the highest IQs whites, Asians and Indians particularly tend to be the most successful and least violent in America.

 

BS---------------being poor is no excuse for violence. I grew up poor but never thot of being violent or committing a crime. OTOH look at Chicago.

 

Actually the group most responsible for violence in this country are males.

 

These findings run contrary to every crime report put out by the Government over the past several decades.

 

Well if poverty is an excuse then you have a lot of splaining to do Lucy

If poverty is your thing and you vote Democrat then you and everyone else in your party is to blame! Economic growth, good jobs are the best means to raise people out of what you believe is the problem! A half century of data proves you wrong and day long

There is never going to be enough money to pay for lazy people and policies that support and promote them!

 

How do you account for this:

Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

 

For whatever reason black and Hispanic women raise violent males more often than asian and white women.

 

Contradicts every other Government crime report put out over the past several decades.

 

Missed this first go round.

'lesser access'? In America?

 

Then present your evidence

 

Partially. A student in a Detroit public school, for example, will necessarily face significantly greater challenges than will one in Beverly Hills, CA. Or even a private school in Detroit for that matter.

But I agree that culture is a major factor - the Asian student in that Beverly Hills school will statistically perform better than her white counterpart.

 

You should! It's the lefts mantra, that the key to lifting people out of poverty is " FREE" education! So how could his point be difficult to realize?

 

I have no dog in the "what race commits more crime and why" debate.

That said, 1. Nothing in the OP evidences the thread title. OP provides no reasoned evidence that poverty and race are somehow mutually exclusive or contradictory factors in crime. "Hispanic" is sometimes a "race" and sometimes not, depending on what narrative is being pushed and by whom (see George Zimmerman, see also those against illegal Mexican immigration are "racist"), therefore any stats based on people being Hispanic as opposed to white are suspect without careful elaboration and context. There are lots of lily white "Garcia's" and lots of brown "Smiths." Is the government classifying Hispanic crime as "white crime" sometimes, deliberately or not, decreasing the incidence? Who knows? I know the gov-edu and government funded "grant research" is likely to be incompetent, full of truck-sized holes, and ideologically motivated compared to private sector research generally.

2. That affluent people of all races commit less violent crime per capita and poor people commit more is close to being a truism. Do we really need to study and quantify that "surprising" conclusion? But is their crime a function of their poverty? or is it just another branch of the weak character, bad choices, drug and alcohol addled tree? Gov-edu research usually wants us to believe the former, making their dependent vote farms "victims of society." Not buying personally, draw your own conclusions of course.

3. One reliable way to spot government newspeak is the creation of unnecessary jargon, e.g. "food insecure" instead of "hungry" or "malnourished," or in this case "violent victimization" instead of simply "crime victims" or even "victimhood," or "criminals." Am I going to delve into the "study" to find whatever game they are running and how they are spinning into this particular unnecessary, likely specious jargon? No. Could be legit, probably not though.

 

Just for clarification... Do you refer to the findings in the OP or to the opinion I offered above?

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-21

If non-Hispanic whites were committing more violent crime than these other groups they would be committing the majority of these crimes, and they are not.