Virginia mom who survived Maoist China says DOJ, school board association use ‘communist tactics’

No, Joe said "Communism has always indoctrinated their youth". Its fact.

 

You cherry picked what he said. He in fact said:

"Communism has always indoctrinated their youth. That’s exactly what the left seems to." Post 90

You are well aware it was not the first sentence alone I challenged, it was the second sentence suggesting the entire left does it. That is why I challenged it and said what I did as an inaccurate and pointless stereotype because all political ideologies indoctrinate. To pretend its particular to communists or leftists is pointless. Please do not tell me Hitler Youth were communists. Please do not tell me that you have not been indoctrinated by Trump cultism and obey it no differently than what you think "communists" do with their ideology.

Next, what precipitated by words was this statement: "Communism is the ownership and control by the state is it not?" Post 82

Critical theory does not necessarily advocate the above. Critical theory is used as much by white supremacist racists as it is what you call neo Marxists, the only difference being who they conclude is discriminated against.

More to the point many of those who jumped on the Critical Theory bandwagon as its used today in school boards to explain black history have never studied Marxism or history which is precisely why they jump on it as if its something new. Next, the word "critical theory" has been misappropriated to mean by you only the specific race theory being promulgated by certain people in school boards. Its far more complex then that and its no different than you trying to lecture me that homicide is only expressed with a gun.

You and your buddy Joe engage in simplistic black and white rigid simplifications of arguments you claim to hear. In fact the dialogue is a lot more complex than your left and right labels and everything you label the left or commies with you display in your cognitive reasoning if we can call it that, in your responses.

The ability to critique means to be able to analyze both sides of an argument being made and see the wide range of issues on either side, consider them, and consider how to reconcile the issues in dispute that are based on genuine disagreement and nor erroneous assumption.

Simply stereotyping who you disagree with as indoctrinators of children is nonsensical. Please do not tell me you would not or have not or do not want to indoctrinate children to agree with you. I have taught them. I have taught kids ranging from 6 to 80. As a professor or teacher my job is not to tell them what they must believe or what is right or wrong but it is to try help them see that in every issue are an infinite number of possible conflicts, issues, disagreements, as well as agreements and the key to learning is seeing the vast range of possible issues and therefore solutions to disputes, not focus on one rigid formula and spew it back as I might say, you and commies do.

Rigid inflexible political ideologues come in all colours, red, black,brown, white. The black and brown shirts to me march the same goose step as the ones with the red or the Trumpets rallying to scream fixed elections. As for your good friends the leftists, some of them are sheep of course. All humans are sheep. The only issue is who we all to be our shepherd at any given time and who are the wolves.

I watched a lot of Bugs Bunny cartoons growing up. I know all about the wolf in sheeps clothing and Ralph and the Coyote checking in each morning and checking out each night and in between the battle that went on. You need to go watch these cartoons. You are using Elmer Fudd vocabulary.

Regards
Peppe Le Pew

 

Accurate statements.

 

Again you avoid the issue I was talking about, of course.

No its not accurate to stereotype on the selective basis you are engaging in. It is intellectually lazy or as you would say a Strawman argument. The point is you select out leftists but not rightists as well. You perpetuate inanity. Saying leftists indoctrinate is as useful as me seeing you urinate every day and so do right wing people. Yah its also accurate to say people die. Anything else you want to share?

 

The right does not try and change history and engage in the indoctrination of children of that lie to appease a small group of people. That is most definitely a trait of the left.

 

lol.

What a well thought out and constructive response.

"OMG, Somebody that knows first hand about something is speaking out about the agenda is support, they must be an idiot!"

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the agenda you support is the only thing idiotic?

 

So we have Putin telling us progressivism is a failed ideological platform. We have ex-communist subjects saying it. We have cubans telling us. We have video after video of people with direct experience telling us progressivism is a failure.

And then we have you.

I think Ill take the first hand accounts.

 

Their identify politics trump all.

 

If it is driven by racist methodologies... yes. ****ing absolutely.

Look, the left doesn't get to start all the race issues following Floyd's death, expanding all the needs for CRT through education and establish systematic racism, and then get to simply deny that racism in itself that drives government policies doesn't exist. In short, criticism of the agenda is allowed.

In this case, ending a program because non-race based criteria resulted in racial segregation is completely worthy of criticism.

 

I didnt reply to Joe's post and was instead responding to YOUR post

Its still a strawman.

 

1. The OP is making the claim that they are being communist for not allowing people to speak at School Board meeting.s That’s NOT what they did/said. they are not going to allow dumbass people who make things up from whole cloth to disrupt the actuall jobs of these boards to teach our children.

2. CRT is the rights new boogeyman. 90% of the right in this country has no idea what CRT really is, but there jump on the bandwagon because…well….MURICA.

If you go to a school board meeting, and start spewing lies, disrupting the meetings because you don’t like something, or making threats to people, you get to leave. That simple. School boards across the country are being threatened by conservatives because they want kids to wear masks, because they want to teach HISTORY. They are being threatened and harassed at their homes, their jobs etc. Do you HONESTLY think thats OK ?

DO you honestly

 

With respect, it's totalitarianism. Yes, State Collectivism is necessarily totalitarian ... but the it's the totalitarianism in this which is the problem .. not the particular flavour of it.

 

It's not really relevant, because her only experience of totalitarianism is State Communism.

IOW it's not about the collectivism, it's about the totalitarianism of thought policing and social engineering.

 

SCHOOLS CONTINUE TO DISINTEGRATE AS TEACHERS EXPLOIT STUDENTS: Students in lingerie give teachers lap dances at school event and it gets worse.

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Uhhhh WTH?

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No time for core academics

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That was the boys, and here are the girls.

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The Principal and the School Board did not wish to discuss it.

 

How do you know they are making it up? Who are you or anybody else to limit speech?

You positions are truly scary.

The desire to limit speech is straight out of the communist manifesto.

When your political ideological support trumps fundamental freedoms, you might be an extremist.

Wrre you sleeping during the BLM riots? Have you not seen racial diversity and critical race theory not trickle down to every facet of our society? You closing your eyes doesn't make everybody else's reality change.

Right right. Like it or leave it. Except when its a conservative agenda. Then it'd all about the right to protest.

"Teaching history". Uh huh. You mean teaching the portions that are relevant in defending racial division and justice agenda of the left.

I'll give credit to the liberals. They have realized that running for local school boards and pushing agendas that reinforce their political desires by way of indoctrination is good for their sustainability.

But don't come crying when people are pissed about it.

 

1937
"Max Horkheimer first defined critical theory (German: Kritische Theorie) in his 1937 essay "Traditional and Critical Theory", as a social theory oriented toward critiquing and changing society as a whole, in contrast to traditional theory oriented only toward understanding or explaining it. Wanting to distinguish critical theory as a radical, emancipatory form of Marxist philosophy,"
1964
"Marcuse champions non-integrated forces of minorities, outsiders, and radical intelligentsia, attempting to nourish oppositional thought and behavior through promoting radical thinking and opposition. ....."
"The intelligentsia is a status class of educated people engaged in the complex mental labours that critique, guide, and lead in shaping the culture and politics of their society."
2020
After a New York Post op-ed essay, “Call Them the 1619 Riots,” linked rioting occurring in cities across the country to The New York Times’ controversial “1619 Project,” the journalist behind the project responded, “It would be an honor. Thank you.”

Max and Marcuse would be proud of their accomplishments. Theyve convinced half the population that our police kill people for being black. Its made up BS intended to "nourish oppositional thought and behavior through promoting radical thinking and opposition". Theyve served us big ole bucket of the BS and the results were exactly as they intended.

 

Horrifying. No wonder China is laughing their hair off.

PS: Why is every teacher fat?

 

No you were responding to my post that responded to Joe's post not your post. So it was not a Strawman argument, it was a challenge stated clearly to an over-generalization or banality he made. I have yet to even find anything you have told me to be sufficient to be able to debate. All I can do is clarify your false assumptions as to what you think I said.

 

Nonsense. Its exactly what Hitler, Pinochet, Person, Mussolini, Franco, Trump, Vichy, and so many other "rightists" have also done.

Your generalizations attempt to ignore actual history that does not suit you.

Get real with your simplistic stereotypes.