I've heard this thing many times before, that voter ID laws are racist. The rationale goes like this: "voter ID laws prevent those without voter ID from voting, blacks are less likely to have that, meaning voter ID laws disproportionately affect black people, and are therefore racist." Ok. So we have [law requires id to exercise right] + [blacks less likely to have id, therefore less likely to be able to exercise right requiring id] = racist. So I was thinking - we all have a right to bear arms. There are laws requiring a government issued photo ID to purchase a pistol. Blacks are less likely to have government issued ids, and so are disproportionately negatively effected by such laws. So when are we going to hear liberals make an uproar about these racist laws denying blacks the right to bear arms?
The problem is more economic. It effects blacks disproportionately because of economics. Here is a simple solution. Why don't we cover the cost of providing an ID for all citizens, after all the poll tax was found to be unconstitutional because it was found to be discriminatory against the poor. The next question I would ask is why anyone would want to make it more difficult for citizens to vote?
States should offer free ID. Add a nickel to the cost of a license plate. Big deal. The question you should ask is why would we want to make it easy for dead people and illegals to vote?
Illegals and dead people can't vote and there is no credible evidence that they have voted in any numbers. Why create a problem where non exists?
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I recently took someone to the DMV to get a new ID as theirs had expired. Not a license, just the ID card. Cost ten dollars. I paid for it but it was an atypical situation because the person has had zero income and zero benefits for the last 4 years trying to get disability and needed an ID because they were finally approved and would need to cash checks/set up bank accounts etc. For people like that, I am all for free ID. For the people the democrats champion no-ID voting, that is seldom the situation.
I would really like to know exactly how many people are there in the U.S. that don't have one of the acceptable ID's, or access to their birth certificate! The opposition to voter ID laws is about politics and which party wants to receive votes from illegals, dead people, same person twice or more and convicted felons!
I agree with this. It has nothing to do with "the difficulty of poor people to obtain ID". That is utter hogwash. Navigator2 suggested states issue free IDs and just raise the cost of a vehicle registration renewal. Hell, you could probably cover the cost by raising the fee by a dollar or two.
1. Why is there no proof of significant voting from illegals or dead people? If you can show me the proof of significant voter fraud I will agree with you. I keep asking, but no one can come up with any. Every major study of voter fraud has found no evidence. "It is important to protect the integrity of our elections. But we must be careful not to undermine free and fair access to the ballot in the name of preventing voter fraud. President Donald Trump has repeatedly, and falsely, claimed millions voted illegally. Yet examination after examination of voter fraud claims reveal fraud is very rare, voter impersonation is nearly non-existent, and much of the problems associated with alleged fraud relates to unintentional mistakes by voters or election administrators. Election officials and leaders of the president’s own party also agree fraud is not widespread." https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud For a comprehensive description of voter fraud studies go to: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/ 2. Why must all conservatives assume if fraud exists that it always benefits the opposition? Is it because conservatives are too honest to indulge in vote fraud? 3. Voting is handled by state and local governments hence there are some differences in rules, but if your locality has problems you have the local control to change what they do.
Sanctuary cites and states don't want to know and furthermore neither use any due diligence (in license registrations) or don't investigate anything at all. See CA. For national elections, there should be national standards of proof of citizenship. (house, senate, President). In local and state elections, IDGAF.
Well first, the poll taxes were found to be unconstitutional because they were deliberate attempts to prevent people from voting. A $25 fee for a state issued ID isn't onerous. If it was, as I said, if wonder why we don't hear liberals talk about how requiring an id to buy a gun is racist and discrimnatory. Specifically on voter id laws - I do find it ridiculous that people think the small fees for a state id are that onerous. I've seen states pass voter ID laws and makes ids free - I'm fine with that, but I think it's bending over backwards without good reason. The cost of an id isn't onerous in the least. And if it is onerous, we're going to need to take a look st all the apparently onerous taxes and fees associated with exercising your 2nd amendment rights.
Proof? All you have here is opinion. If the problem is wide spread there should be a way to prove that.
Including several "red" states such as Mississippi, North and South Dakota, Tennessee and on Friday, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach — who heads the commission — said he will not hand over voter information to his own panel. How does this prove voter fraud? Perhaps we should wait and see if this commission comes up with some concrete proof.
I find it hard to believe that there are that many people walking around with out a state issued id. How the heck do you even function as a productive citizen with out one.
Good point.....Those who cannot function are targeted by Democrat 'get out the vote' political machines.
"And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice." http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
Well, as it 'turns out' there is another side to the argument... "The essence of the Brennan Center's argument against voter ID is that that voter fraud isn't a real problem, as it happens so infrequently that it isn't a serious matter. In its report, The Truth About Voter Fraud, the Brannan Center explains, "Allegations of widespread voter fraud… often prove greatly exaggerated. It is easy to grab headlines with a lurid claim (‘Tens of thousands may be voting illegally!'); the follow-up — when any exists — is not usually deemed newsworthy. Yet on closer examination, many of the claims of voter fraud amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire. The allegations simply do not pan out." http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA642.html Then there is this... "Reporter Emily Schultheis opens with the claim that “at least 5 million voters, predominantly young and from minority groups sympathetic to President Barack Obama, could be affected by an unprecedented flurry of new legislation by Republican governors and GOP-led legislatures to change or restrict voting rights by Election Day 2012.” Schultheis doesn’t say where she got the estimate of 5 million until well into the article — it’s from a Brennan Center report. And she fails to disclose the radical, left-wing nature of the Brennan Center or the fact that it is an advocacy organization that is litigating against voter ID." http://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/getting-it-wrong-voter-id
Yes I can Google also. I read many different studies, each one has a different number. But what I am saying if it is the poor how do they applied for assistance (in welware, unemployment, Obamaphone) without proving who they are. If it is college kids how do they get tuition assistance. Do the elderly not need any proof of who they are to get social security or medicare. Yet alone you can not fly, drink, rent pretty much anything, apply for credit. Getting an id seems like one of the most simple things you can do to make your life easier.
The fact that people can go through life without "proper" ID demonstrates that it is not necessary for most of life. If I did not drive, I would let my driver's license expire. If I did not travel, my passports and visas would expire. I cannot remember the last time I needed my id. Thus, if I was on a tight budget, I would let my id cards expire.
Can you even imagine the outrage from the right if Obama had requested that? It would be the scandal of the Century, demands for Congressional investigations would already be in place, and the alt-right would be demanding iimpeachment...
Good points....The only 'people' I can think of that have no active ID are illegal aliens and the dead. Prolly around 2 million?
Interesting the LWNJ's claim there is no voter fraud but are seriously butthurt when officials want to verify whether there is a problem or not? Same old song and dance, as predictable as fake news.
Enemies of voter ID laws are friends of voter fraud. Why anything more needs to be said about it I haven't the foggiest idea.
