Waiting perods and counseling/classes for abortions

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  1. Beatrice4

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    Perhaps a reasonable compromise could be each women would receive a folder with information about abortion, adoption etc. then she could read through it on her own
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Not really because it involves a lot of risk for the woman concerned and there are way too many children still waiting to be adopted. No point adding to that backlog until it is cleared.
     
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    So you are an advocate for higher taxes for everyone to carry the burden of unwanted children who have not been adopted and you want to increase that number by another million or so every year?
     
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    yes I am. Can't put a price on life , I'd happily pay more in taxes for all the humans that would now have a chance to live. You would unhappily pay. Just as now you happily pay taxes for abortion services and I unhappily do so as well
     
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    BZZZT Wrong!

    No taxes pay for abortion services per the Hyde Amendment!

    Studies show that these millions upon millions of unwanted children that you are "happy" to pay for will become dropouts, drug addicts and criminals. So those taxes you are imposing on the rest of us include paying for more courts, police, prisons, lawyers, drug rehab, welfare, etc, etc.

    You are wrong about putting a price on life. The QUALITY of life makes a massive difference. Just ask those people eking out an existence in poverty stricken 3rd world nations how happy they are with their lives.
     
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    no problem with that, unless they have pro life propaganda contained within.
     
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    How about adoption "gone over" for women who want to keep their babies?

    How about abortion "gone over" for women who want to keep their babies???


    Adoption: Women are NOT as stupid as you think. They know they could adopt the kid out without forced counseling to tell them that...but they don't want to if they've asked for an abortion.


    WHY would a woman give up 9 months of her life, suffer temporary and permanent damage to her body, suffer the pain of pregnancy and childbirth, suffer financial loss, possible job loss, career and educational setbacks just to make you happy and give someone else a kid ???? What? !!!!
     
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    Furthermore there is no guarantee that someone will actually adopt the child either. It might end being bounced around in the foster system until it "ages out".
     
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    Would all pregnant women be given this information? Even the ones who want to keep their babies???
     
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    You most certainly CAN put a price on life...raising a kid nowadays costs about $250-300,000 .
     
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    Good point!

    Will this information include the statistics on how many adoptees end up being abused or become drop outs? Will it give accurate information of the prospects for unwanted children when they become adults?

    After all it should contain ALL of the facts, right?
     
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    Yes, and what I can't get an answer on from these "Force information onto women who want an abortion" freaks is why not give information about abortion and adoption to women who want to keep their babies....maybe they'll change their minds !!!
     
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    What actually has the liberal left banned?
    And by your way of thinking the entire Right wants abortion banned. That would include you, it happens when you throw out large blankets.
     
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    How many children have you adopted? How many adopted children do you currently have?
     
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    She is free to research it if she wants. Patients should not have to hear either side, all they need are the medical facts.
     
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    The requirements for sex change surgery are set by the medical profession and/or it's governing bodies, not by the govt.
     
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    Also, will it contain the statistics for the risk of emotional problems in the relinquishing mother?

    http://www.originscanada.org/adopti...n-trauma-the-damage-to-relinquishing-mothers/
     
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    Yes, that is brilliant! All women should be given information about having children- hazards of pregnancy and childbirth, possibility of PND( all the medical stuff) and as listed above.
     
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    Yeah I think it's reasonable to give each women reading materials from both sides. so adoption information and abortion information . Seems simple enough
     
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    Okay let us talk about price and "life"

    Let us talk about the case of Baby K an anencephalic baby that was kept alive in ICU for over 2 years

    Anencephaly is where the baby is born without a brain

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    Does this meet the criteria of "life at any cost"?
     
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    Is it also "reasonable" to force her to have an ultrasound - vaginal ultrasound and to listen to the description of the foetus?

    This is what happened to a woman going for a late stage abortion. She had just been told her baby was so malformed that there were grave doubts it would survive to term let alone live beyond a few hours. Because of invasive laws she was made to listen to the description over again

    Terrible ordeal to put anyone through
     
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    How many other children were denied healthcare because of the exorbitant ICU cost of keeping alive a child without any quality of life whatsoever and no prospect of one either?
     
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    The same applies to the NICU where they attempt to prolong the life of wee ones who are NOT viable. Sad part is that sad things happen
     
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    Yes if a child has a severe medical condition as anencephaly abortion should be permitted
     
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    You didn't answer my questions. How many children have you adopted and how many adopted children do you currently have?

    I assume the answer is ZERO on both accounts. So if you're not willing to adopt, why do you think every child born that isn't wanted will be adopted?
     
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