Want to live 10 years longer?

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    I'm ketogenic for the first time in five years. Woohoo! I avoid most carbs but kept adding belly fat a little at a time and couldn't seem to knock it off. So I decided to take the plunge again into hard ketosis. It is amazing how the fat just melts away. And I bet I drank 15 glasses of water on Monday LOL! I was crazy thirsty.

    The hardest part is keeping things balanced for hard workouts. I swim, lift weights, and do the elliptical. It all makes me feel like I'm 25 again!

    But then when I was 25 my blood sugar problems were out of control. So I actually feel much better than when I was 25. The ketogenic lifestyle saved my life.
     
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    Identify “ the government”
    Faux news.
    Cigarettes already contain “carpet glue.”
    Making Fire Retardent cigarettes uses already present EVA. Smokers are dying regardless, maybe they can take fewer people with them.

    “Contrary to myth, FSC cigarettes use no more ethylene vinyl acetate (EVA) adhesive than conventional cigarettes, and its use as an adhesive predates the introduction of FSC technology.[2]
     
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    FSC cigarettes are killing smokers, it's wrong, it's genocide of smokers

    smoking to excess is bad for you, so is eating carbs to excess, drinking to excess, sunbathing to excess, ect....
     
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    yep, this is a chart of the year the government pushed low fat and obesity percent year by year- it's really sad, so many peoples health negatively effected
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    I remember being in school when they rolled out the food pyramid, everyone believed it
     
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    I eat almost all carbs, hardly any fats, and low protein. And yes I do feel hungry ... and probably get 'spikes' as you refer to them. They just don't bother me. I would not be at all comfortable if I didn't feel slightly hungry, or even very hungry, pretty much around the clock. For me, I've eaten the right amount if I start to feel peckish again one to two hours after eating. If I'm still not hungry two or three hours after eating, I've exceeded a healthy portion, or have eaten 'heavy' foods, not easily digested.

    PS: I think the 'keto' diet is an abomination. It doesn't work as a life option, and can have serious significant impacts on health. It's an extreme fad. In the morbidly obese, it may appear to have miraculous effects, but these are not generally sustainable, and they are acquired at risk. The only sustainable and optimally healthy (for your organs etc) way to eat for healthy body weight long term, is to reduce fats and proteins, increase complex carbs, and exercise. Keto almost always embraced by people who aren't actually prepared to give up their high fat/heavy protein ways. It's a cop out, and a dangerous one at that.
     
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    The low fat diet didn't cause the obesity, though. The obesity happened despite govt promotion. Had people actually stuck to a complex carb based diet, with low fat/low protein, they would not have become obese. Obesity is almost always a result of cheese, meat (primarily cheese and meat, actually), processed (white) carbs, and lastly - sugars. Precisely the opposite to the promoted diet.
     
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    I disagree, the public has reduced meat consumption, fat consumption, that did not help, the main problem is sugar (carbs with a high glycemic index)

    everything has sugar in it nowadays, the fat in products was replaced with sugar, all so a product could stamp the "low fat" label on them as that is what consumers wanted

    if we put the fat back in foods and removed the sugar, it would help tremendously imo - and by fats I mean the natural ones, not the trans fats or highly processed vegetable oils
     
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    the keto diet works for many, some would say it's the SAD (standard American Diet) diet that is the abomination

    FYI : keto is not a high protein diet, if you eat too much protein it will turn the extra into glucose via Gluconeogenesis, thus not keto

    keto is very low carb, high fat, moderate protein
     
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    If that were true people would have always been fat.

    What's more, we evolved to eat fats and protein, with small amounts of carbs. Processed grains didn't come along until 5000 years ago and less. We didn't evolve to eat grasses. And sugars were only available for short times of the year. Ketosis is likely our natural metabolic state.
     
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    My bold. If you're comparing to cavemen, then sure. But if you're comparing to last century, then no. People in modern America eat waaaay more cheese and meat than was eaten last century. You people even put cheese WITH meat, you're so addicted to both.
     
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    sense the government pushed low fat in the late 70's, yes we have lowered fat and meat consumption, and people have been getting fatter ever sense, the biggest reason is fats were replaced with sugars

    are you anti-meat?

    nothign wrong with meat and cheese, if you add bread on the other hand, remove the bread, keep the meat and cheese
     
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    What in the hell do I have to live for?
     
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    since not sense.
     
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    yeah, I am a bad speller, I know it :0)
     
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    ok...
     
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    They will simply tell you that you refused to exercise the extra calories off..
     
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    Sugars are a problem, obviously. Not disputing that.

    The BIGGER problem though, is the sheer quantity of meat/cheese eaten. Since the second half of last century, these two food staples have become abundant and cheaply obtainable .. so people went crazy. In the first half of last century, meats and cheeses were much more expensive, and so despite the fact that some people did eat meat every day, they ate smaller portions of it, and didn't eat cheese with everything. Add to the above the massive decrease in exercise amongst ordinary Americans, and you have a recipe for disaster. Ultimately, a vegan with a sweet tooth is less likely to be obese, than a meat/cheese lover who avoids sugars.

    PS: Meat and cheese together is sooooo wrong. Terrible combination, which serves neither ingredient and just muddies both. It's a sign of a very rudimentary palate, more interested in density than quality.

    PSS: Not anti-meat, but I eat very little of the stuff (maybe 100 grams of good quality beef every three weeks, and fish once a week). It's far too expensive, too problematic to store, stinks the house out when cooked, and is generally bad for you. I eat it primarily to obtain the particular proteins and iron involved. I don't touch pork - ever, and rarely eat chicken.
     
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    All I can say is eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die..If you don't you have a lot of good memories while you are like a beached whale with no visible means of support.
     
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    The problem is that it will be tomorrow, if you turn yourself loose.

    Seriously though, once you have adjusted a fatty, meat based diet to a plant based diet, your expectations of 'merriment' in regards to food changes completely. A very fine fruit salad, made with only exotic top shelf ingredients (no apple, banana, or watermelon) for example, can be an intense pleasure. Or a beautifully made loaf of organic sourdough, fresh out of the oven. Or a big platter of garlic and rosemary roasted winter vegetables .... etc etc.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about!? I eat the salad greens and kale while harvesting them in the garden and then sit down to a thick juicy hamburger with cheese and mayo washed down with a cherry Dr. Pepper, sheer heaven..
     
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    You appeared to be suggesting that imbibing 'unhealthy' food was a universal pleasure. It isn't.
     
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    if I am alive I want to be healthy too, much better living healthy as long as possible if one can, I am not afraid of dying, but am afraid of living a life where I can not care for myself or am in pain, ect...
     
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    I prefer a big salad with feta cheese, olive oil and vinegar

    you can eat healthy on either diet, stay away from processed foods, sugars and grains and that will go a long way
     
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    I'd say stay away from cheese and meat, and eat more vegetables and grains :)
     
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    I should of said refined grains, if your gonna eat grains I would stick to whole grains and in moderation

    I woudl not say stay away from cheese and meat, but definitely do not eat to excess... moderation is key, when you eat more protein then the body needs, it will also be converted to glucose
     
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