Want to stop racism?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Hoosier8, Jun 22, 2021.

  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well like the police but if race is the defining feature that ignores the person.
     
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    Which won't happen if everyone is encouraged to be hyper aware of race and encouraged to identify themselves according to race.
     
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    You can certainly "see race" without making race how you prejudge or even really regard somebody, yes. It's like height, or if somebody wears glasses. Useful to point somebody out by physical traits, but not really who they are as a person.

    If somebody's self identity is that they are race X, rather than their personality traits or job or interests etc, I think that makes them racist. I think that's what we should be trying to get away from, because we need to get there if we ever going to end prejudging and treating people differently because of race (racism in action).
     
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    Being race blind doesn't mean we literally cant see skin colour. It just means that we attach no importance or so significance to it.
     
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    You hit the nail on the head.

    I was raised to not be racist. First time it occurred to me was in Germany when some of the dark fellows would really act like criminals. The dark fellows would ask me for favors. And when I could, I granted them. A dark fellow wanted to rough up my customers that I loaned money to for profit. I told him no thank you.
    Then in 1964 back to the USA I came and where I lived we had no race problems.

    I worked in construction with some dark fellows. I rather enjoyed their working with me. I did tell one dark fellow he had to start getting to work on time or I would have to send him packing. But the rest came to work on time.
    Anyway on forums I found out what Democrats think of fellow human beings. Seemed to me they pretended to be in love with the dark fellows. But I know Democrats. I was one for decades. They do not love dark fellows. They only want his vote.


     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ever notice how it works?

    Trashing white humans is sport for Democrats. But say one hint of a word about the dark fellows and they pretend to go ballistic.
     
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    I have read that the conversion process is not easy, nor meant to be.

    And once the convert is accepted his former non-Jewishness is supposed to be seldom if ever mentioned. The idea is that you were a Jew all along but there was a sort of filing error or something that resulted in your being born to non-Jewish parents. (not that you love them any less either)
     
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    So you agree that "if people stop referring to other people by race, racism recedes" is nonsense.
    Someone doesn't know the definition.
     
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    You seem unaware as to how society actually works.
     
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    No, you do.

    If you actually think that by telling everyone to see themselves foremost by what race they are, you're ever going to get anywhere against racism, you may be too far gone.
     
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    Someone is trying to gaslight.
     
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    It may seem true from your perspective, but not "everyone is encouraged to be hyper aware of race" or that people are being told "to see themselves foremost by what race they are". That is not reality. People do grow up in different cultures and there is nothing wrong with that. You are conflating race and culture. Some cultures are associated with a "race" but others not. Jews aren't, African Americans are. The problem is some members of a particular culture feel they are put at a disadvantage just because they are members of a that culture. You seem to be telling them to not identify with their culture and quit complaining about perceived injustice towards their culture. If they do racism will go away...not realistic.
    Not at all. You said "the CRT definition existing and being white is racism". I would suggest you get away from your right-wing sources and actually look up the real definition.
     
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    No, you are conflating race with culture. Just because a person (like me) has black skin, doesn't make them of this "African American Culture" you want to push us all into.

    Here you are explicitly confusing race for culture.

    I didn't tell anybody not to identify with culture. I said not to identify primarily by race.

    Your conflation of race for culture IS a form of racism. And I didn't tell anyone to quit complaining about any injustice against anyone for anything, be it race, culture, or anything else.

    If you read what I actually wrote as what you have projected above, you've got some issues to work out in your mind I think.
     
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    Truth is not a matter of perspective is absolute.

    Race is artificial, culture is not. You are trying to gaslight.
    That's like looking up the actual definition of flat earth. CRT is bunk.
     
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    AKA, the human race. But there are many ethnics and skin colors in the human race.
     
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    Jew is a religion.
    Asians are an ethnicity. Latino is an ethnicity.
    White is a color. Black is a color.
     
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    How does one do a genetic test on a religion?
     
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    If everyone can become a Jew, why can't anyone become a non jew?
     
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    That is a religious doing, not an ethnic doing.
    Holidays are made up by man.
     
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    100% true.
     
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    There is Jewish ethnicity. Most ethnic Jews are religious Jews.
     
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    Judaism is the only religion I know of that accepts entirely the idea that just about all of its members are born into it. That is in fact the real case with most religions but is a matter of practice more than a standard part of the faith. Jews call themselves the CHOSEN for a reason (not that being the Chosen makes them better than anyone, the idea is that God expects them to be examples of what he wants people to act like, it is a burden not a privilege)

    I THINK , but am not entirely sure that Reformed Judaism is the only religion believing that even atheists can still be members in good standing as long as they follow Jewish moral precepts.
     
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