Was killing Baghdadi a betrayal ?

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    They had long standing relationships based on trade and marriage BEFORE the advent of Islam. Use your head.
     
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    You have a selective memory.
    Expanding Home Ownership - George W. Bush
    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/achievement/chap7.html
    Expanding Home Ownership ... their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country." - President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003 The Accomplishments. …


    Expanding Home Ownership
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."

    - President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003

    The Accomplishments

    Increasing Homeownership

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  4. Margot2

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    I have explained this to you 4 times in the same thread... why don't you think about preexisting relationships?
     
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    A betrayal of WHAT exactly? You only mention "betrayal" in your title.
     
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    The extreme right wing in the US accuses the Obama administration of arming and supporting ISIS.. and THAT is a measure of their insanity.
     
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    Because they don't really matter when discussing the birth and spread of Islam. No warrior founder no Islam.
     
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    That's not true at all. While there were military actions to spread Islam MOST of its spread came thru long standing trade relations and intermarriage.
     
  9. chris155au

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    I don't think that @Giftedone is a member of the "extreme right wing."
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A betrayal of our allies ... Baghdadi and his soldiers who fought valiantly against Assad.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tulsi Gabbard is not a member of the "extreme right wing" - and neither are the 6 other Dems in congress who co-signed the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act"

    If anything is "insane"- it is the fact that this information has been given to you countless times - yet you still pretend to not know this.
     
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    Perhaps giving a terrorist state $150 billion enhanced their suspicions.
     
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    "Military actions'? You mean as in 'somebody did something'?
     
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    They're still trying to spread Islam through murder, genocide and terrorism.
     
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    Would Gabbard accuse the Obama administration of arming and supporting ISIS?
     
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    So the US benefited from ISIS - how does that mean that they were allies?
     
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    They gotta build that trade system up so all can prosper under Allah's benevolent watch.
     
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    Not "would she" - she did accuse the Obama admin of Arming and supporting the radical Islamist Jihadists in Syria.

    Tulsi introduced the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" into congress - a bill which had 13 "bipartisan" co-sponsors.

    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists
     
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    Your statement makes no sense. We were allied with ISIS in Syria. That we betrayed their leader means they are no longer our allies.

    This was Rand Paul on the CNN's Sunday morning program "State of the Union"
    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/
     
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    It sure was!!!

     
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    At least as early as Obama's mid-second term -- probably much earlier, ISIS was formulating plans for a caliphate that would include a huge chunk of Africa and also parts of Europe. You don't remember this? With the flood of male military age Islamists probably ISIS members into Europe at that time -- remember?, they believed they were making great progress toward achieving it. Because they were.

    Obama was an integral part of the plan and an active participant of still unexposed integration. When you talk about any US alliance betraying anything or anyone Syria, you're talking about ISIS, and you are talking exclusively about Obama and/or Bush.


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    Purported plan in 2014 during the Obama years, was for an Islamic caliphate to
    extend into and establish Islam in the black area by 2020. Ambitious? Certainly was.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aq-demand-Muslims-world-swear-allegiance.html
     
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    Trump's beheading the snake has certainly had a global demoralizing impact on Islamic terrorists, which is good reason to be extra vigilant for years to come.
     
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    *LMAO*!!

    Whose preposterous wet dream was that fairytale!?
     
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    It is well known that these radical Islamist extremists envision the entire world as one big caliphate - and they say so in no uncertain terms.

    This dream - became a useful tool - as it coincided with the objective of destabilizing Syria. Obama/Bush are pawns is a much larger game - Presidents come and go .. much of the Establishment - elite politicians, bureaucrat's - and the big money interests that pull the strings - remains.

    One of these interests is Saudi Arabia - and certainly they would love the world to be one big caliphate - but, El Saud is a relatively small player - and the other interests don't want this. What they would like, is continuous wars to keep the money flowing into the military industrial complex.
     
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    Yours, evidently.
     

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