Was the confederacy of the U.S. worse than the Nazis?

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  1. Tererun

    Tererun Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but we do have much more to go. We also have the alt right propaganda machine spitting out fake news and whitewashing everything. This false sense of victimisation as the attackers needs to stop.
     
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    Okay let me amend There were, according to the Tuskegee institute, 3454 lynchings of African Americans. The overwhelming majority of these occurred between between 1866 and 1930. That however pales in comparison to what happened to the Jews in Europe between 1400 and 1945. Hitler was scarcely the only antisemite in European history though he was certainly the worst and far and away the most consequential. Who were the worse pack of *******s? Does it really matter? I for one am glad both regimes are gone. I like to forget them both but we can't afford to do that lest such crap happen again. That does not mean that we should take seriously every cry of racism we hear or give heed to everyone yelling fascist or Nazi. Comparing evil to evil quickly becomes zero some game with the devil the winner.
     
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    Tererun Well-Known Member

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    What I am saying is that attitude is a direct extension of slavery because we never closed the rift. These prevailing racist attitudes are rooted way back in our original slave culture and we are not going to be free of it while we are whitewashing those roots and pretending the confederacy was not a immoral evil that should not be honored and looked up to. They believed white people were the superior race and that was the natural order of things for blacks to be slaves. That put the black people at sub human like the Nazis did with the Jews. Only we recognize the Nazis were horrible in their beliefs. Europe and Germany are not full of statues of Hitler and his generals. However America is full of statues of those racist bigots and we are taught their ideals are not that bad even though the only difference was we exploited the slaves and did not seem to remove them from the planet.
     
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    I don't know. Which do you prefer, apples or oranges?
     
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    Tererun Well-Known Member

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    Because here in America we have people who have been taught that the confederacy was noble and honorable. It 's something to be proud of. I don't run around with swastikas on claiming the Nazis were great warriors who just wanted German rights. My grandmother came from that bombed out world. I know the truth of what was done and it was disgusting. The confederacy is disgusting too, but we have people who think it is great because they have been lied to and manipulated.
     
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    I will agree you cannot ever do a side by side comparison of institutionalized acts of brutality -- as for myself, though, I will say I would rather die than be a chattel slave with zero rights for my entire life, my entire family, and have generation, after generation, after generation, after generation, after generation of this persist, with little hope of freedom.

    As the famous Rev War General John Stark said: "Live Free or Die. There are some things worse than death."
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Indeed and that can be a stand-alone thread all on it's own. But I see no logic in comparing the Civil War of 1861-1865 to the NAZI era of 1933-1945.
     
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    Depends whether enslavement or genocide is worse.

    I honestly dont know.

    But the nazi's wanted to rule the world, and were willing to attain that rule with war. The confederacy just wanted to rule itself. I would say the average nazi was worse than the average southerner by a vast margin, and given that the confederacy was fighting a defensive war for its own sovereighnty, the nazi goal of global domination was far worse in that regard as well.
     
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    The same happens on the other side. Things like Black Lives Matters, NAACP, black panthers, al sharpton, don’t help they actually hurt progress on racial lines.
     
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    This is what I am talking about. Would you say such things about Israel and Zionist organizations in America? Of course not, but it is ok for you to down those things and pretend they are part of the problem when it is you who cannot see how you are still manipulated by those old confederate ideals.
     
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    Tererun Well-Known Member

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    The confederacy was already established in trade. They did not have to conquer the world to spread their racism.
     
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    Sharpton and BP...correct.

    BLM and the NAACP??

    Absolutely wrong...and lumping them together says more about you than them
     
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    And Superman...always gonna win over Batman
     
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    'spread their racism'?

    Perhaps you were not aware that the sort of slave trade that the american south profitted in was an Arab institution, not an American one.

    At any rate, how was racism 'spreading' from the confederacy?
     
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    ^ Racist against mammals that sleep upside down. :(
     
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    When you start out with undocumented opinions it is rather ludicrous to take them seriously.

    You may want to list the stories you heard about the CSA.

    In Adolf and Himmer's case the crimes are documented and fairly well known, and the number of victims is estimated at anywhere between 4 to 8 million, with 6 million being the commonly mentioned average.
     
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    Yes, and I have. I don’t care what side it is on, if it’s wrong I call it wrong, I’m just not naive about it only being on one side like you seem to be. There is nothing about “old confederate ideals” that has any impact whatsoever on me, but I understand it’s convenient for you to say such dishonest and inflammatory things. So much for not wanting to make it a competition.
     
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    Yeah they were part of the commerce. So yes that contributed to the problem. How was racism spreading from people who believed black people were inferior and meant to be slaves? Are you really asking that? I am not sure I can explain it if you are not seeing they are racist. That is the thing, you have been so befuddled by the whitewashing you think the confederacy is not racist or spreading racism. That was the driving force of their fight. Read their writings and declarations. They flat out say it and boast about it. There is no ambiguity. If you are not aware of that fact you are ignorant and need to educate yourself.
     
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    What are you talking about undocumented? Are you not familiar with the writings of the people you are defending? If that 's the case I can cite the opinions of the people driving the confederacy and their declarations of racism which are open and available and not contested. The confederacy believed black people were inferior and made for slavery. They said it was right and how it should be because you could not let the black man do his own thing. It was God's will and supported somewhat by the bible. The bible does not directly say be racist to black people, but it gives instructions on moral ways of keeping slaves. They used that to say it was God's will that the black man needed the white man to guide and master him.

    These are not facts that are in contention. It is just not what people say about the confederacy because they lie. They want to make it seem noble and good, and it was racist and wrong. But we do not say that like we do with the Nazis, and that is my point.
     
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    How do you think it does not effect you? It makes your environment racist even if you may not be. That effects you. How many people who are black have you not met because of this rift? If I look and say knowing people and loving them as friends relations is one of the great things of life then I miss out when a group of people has been kept from me. Even if it is passive and just happening. If their community is hurt then it is also my neighborhood and friends who are harmed. I do not want that. If I saw someone ****ing with you I would do something to assist you. I don't even know you. So when someone tucks with the black people in my community and my environment that is a problem for me. I don't want it to happen, and I do not want to passively support it by paying into a system that opresses them.
     
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    I'm not defending anyone -- you ass-u-me-ed that.

    I'm just saying your writing sux because you did not give any examples of CSA atrocities.

    You should list some CSA atrocities and give the numbers, at least. Then you would be in a position to make a comparison with the 4 to 8 million camp deaths under Adolf and Himmler.

    You didn't do anything. You just ass-u-me-ed.

    Bad writing. Bad bad bad !!!

    Even at the high school level this is bad writing.
     
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    This is basic high school history. I am not here to teach toddlers. You have to come to the table with a certain amount of knowledge. Are you saying that all these people who love the confederacy are so stupid I have to explain their own beliefs to them with citations? I am not arguing things that are a mystery here. We know about Jim crow laws, lynchings, racism, and the oppression black people faced after they were freed, right? If I have to educate an American on that sort of thing you really shouldn't be complaining to me about being so average basic intelligence. You should tell the people who have praise for the confederacy to read their own stuff.
     
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    Maybe if i rephrase the question... Where was the racism of the confederacy spreading to?
     
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    Wow.

    Just wow.
     
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    ...isn't an answer.

    Slavery was dying out, being replaced by more technologically efficient industry, and being rejected by a growing abolitionist movement. It wasn't 'spreading.'
     
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