Was the invasion of Okinawa necessary

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  1. unkotare

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    I have supported all claims
     
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    After FDR's death... A voice from beyond...
     
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    If the goal was to maximize civilian casualties, then they would have attacked with a firebombing raid, which killed far more civilians than the atomic bombs did.
     
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    Linking to a site that states an untrue claim does not suddenly overwrite reality and make that claim become true.

    There is ample history that proves that Japan did not try to surrender until after both A-bombs had already been dropped.

    And actually, no. You have not supported your untrue claim that the A-bombs were not dropped on military targets. Nor could you, given the very clear military value of the A-bomb targets.
     
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    Truman was placed there because he would do as told.
     
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    Simply denying any source that conflicts with what you want to believe is not a serious refutation.
     
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    The goal was to try out FDR‘s toy on civilians.
     
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    FDR was extremely generous with his fire bombs.
     
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    Carpet bombing of major Japanese cities killed or injured millions. In Tokyo, over 100,000 people burned to death from a heavy bombardment of incendiary bombs in just one night, comparable to the wartime number of U.S. casualties on the entire Pacific theater. The American use of the new weapon in Hiroshima made the emperor realize that the war was unwinnable and he decided to surrender unconditionally. As he stated in the radio broadcast to the nation, he feared that the Japanese nation would be totally obliterated by atomic bombs.

     
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    The US only had three atomic bombs..
     
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    I've cited books that make it clear what Japan's actions were at the end of the war.

    "Japan's Decision to Surrender" by Robert J.C. Butow

    "Japan's Longest Day" by The Pacific War Research Society

    These are books that any serious scholar of WWII has read.

    Your refusal to read these books does not change the fact that they are a serious refutation of your untrue statements.

    Not to mention the fact that you've not offered any sources at all to back your untrue denials of the military nature of the A-bomb targets.


    No. The goal was to force Japan to surrender.
     
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    A lot more A-bombs were on the way. Japan was a week away from having the next A-bomb dropped (this time on Tokyo) when they surrendered.

    There would have been another seven A-bombs built over September and October, another five in November, and then a minimum of seven a month from December on.
     
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    Except they already knew what it would do because they had tested it beforehand.
     
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    FDR didn’t tell Curtis Lemay what tactics to use.
     
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    Yet when GW Bush takes the blame for all tactics used in IRAQ and Afghanistan, will you complain then too?















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    I never heard that the bomb you speak of dealt with homes or infrastructure. It tested blowing up a steel tower for sure.
     
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    I’ve never seen Bush take the blame for all tactics used in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    More to the point, tactics are shaped by the technological limits of the day. Laser guided bombs didn’t exist in the 1940’s. Not to mention, much of Japan’s industry was cottage in nature where lots of little widgets were made in tiny residential factories and then only assembled in manufacturing areas.

    The US tried accurate bombing of Japanese industrial zones for the first couple years of the war. What they found was that A: their bombers were not accurate enough to hit just the factories, and B: that destroying manufacturing buildings did nothing to affect Japan’s industrial output.

    Only after they started using mass firebombing raids did industrial production in Japan start dropping off. The technological limits of the day dictated the tactics used.
     
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    Wood and rice papers houses are definitely stronger than steel towers and desert rock.
     
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    Maybe you are a lot younger than I am since on TV as a young man i would get up very early to watch the nuclear explosions and they tested structures and vehicles, etc to learn the damage issues. But you ducked what I said. I said they did not construct test homes to see what would happen ahead of the bomb blasts in Japan.
     
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    I am quite sure our intelligence capability during WW2 was limited once Japan tangled with the US.

    Aerial photos showed the massive damage from fire bombs too.
     
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    The US Army Air Force in 1945 was well aware of the structural capabilities of Japanese cities.
     
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    The fire bombs DID cause massive damage. The attempts at accurate conventional bombing did not. They just didn’t have the accuracy and Japanese industry wasn’t structured in a way that conventional bombing would impact.
     
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    Correction:

    U.S. Army Air Forces.

    Force is plural.

    At the beginning of the war there was just the Army Air Corps.

    As the war went on the Army Air Corps expanded with many corps becoming an air force.

    Then it expanded in size with many air forces, the U.S. Army Air Forces.

    Works the same way with the infantry.

    Team
    Squad
    Platoon
    Company
    Battalion
    Regiment
    Brigade
    Division
    Corps
    Army

    Usually the rule of 3 is used...
    3 battalions = regiment
    3 regiments = division
    3 divisions = corps
    3 corps = army
     
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    Talk about lying.

    Are you even aware that FDR was already dead, so what you think he believed means nothing?

    Poop, you need to stop distorting everything to somehow justify your twisting of history.
     
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    They hadn’t seen what it would do to a densely populated civilian target.
     

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