Was Trump our worst president?

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    That is because for the left, words are action so more important than real action.
     
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    Worst presidents in us history


    1. W
    2. LBJ
    3. Obama
    4. Andrew Johnson
    5. Hoover


    Trump, of course, wanted things Paul Ryan and other Zionist fascists in the GOP did not allow...

    The wall
    Spending cuts

    In the end, trump was a disaster, but not because of trump, but because of the traitors in both parties willing to wreck America to stop trump from getting us 911 and JFK truth out...

    What did Biden do this weekend.... He blocked JFK truth again, after naming a us naval vessel the LBJ....
     
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    Why you should get upset is because Obama allowed ISIS to grow into one of the worst terrorist army in the last 50 years. ISIS took over almost half of Iraq murdering thousands and cutting off heads, including an American, burning a pilot trapped in a cage, Millions of Muslims were chased from their homes and millions ran to Europe afraid for their lives. Europe or America have been changed for ever over Obama's actions
     
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    Today in Congress we now have two Muslims who hate America and Israel, our best Middle East Allie. We have Muslims who have grown so large, because we took them in from the war, they now control some of our cities and are a head of their government, like Mayors, city council. But you don't see a problem with Obama's and Biden's actions, only Trump's remark. That's a problem and not just from you. We have more people interested in their political Party than the well being of our country.
     
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    Worst in my lifetime.

    Stupid Xoe (and he’s got 3+ more years to f#$& up even worse)
    Carter (Jimmy needs to thank Xoe)
    LBJ
    Obama
    Bush 1
    Bush 2
    Clinton
     
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    First, I never stated Obama is one of the top ten Presidents.
    I also never said trump is the worst

    I also stated that trump did some very good thing, most of the EO’s you listed didn’t do what was intended or they were toothless and not worth the paper they were printed on.

    The reason you don’t want to included graphs is because virtually all of those metrics follow trend lines from 2009 once they recession was cooling off. It is true that manufacturing was increasing but it was showing recession signs prior to COVID
    https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/us-industrial-production-slumps-in-second-quarter-2019-07-16

    I also noticed that many of your articles against Obama were toward the middle of his term. Which is why I like charts, it is hard to cherry pick data.

    trump’s worst qualities are not economic — he destroyed norms, damaged faith in our institutions by hiring individuals with the express goal of dismantling them from within, pushing hyper partisans and unqualified judicial nominees, extreme nepotism and profiteering and then topped it off by stirring up his fanatical base to attempt to stop a national election and pushing that the election is so insecure that it was stolen.

    That is why he will be remembered as being one of the worst.
     
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    When I tried to access URL you posted I got messages:
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    Here is why I think the Trump performance was disaster:
    when he announce that there is no shortage of any equipment or tests to fight the coronavirus, in NYC it was impossible to buy a masks, disinfector liquid or receive coronavirus test.
    I watched daily the site:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    For a few month when I sorted the results by "tot cases/1M pop" or "tot death/1M pop", out of about 215 countries the US was number around 200 (it means 200 have better results than the US)
    And here are some Trump announcements:
    January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

    Jan. 24, https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220818115354923009
    “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

    Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

    Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:
    "I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the - the problem, the virus. It's a - it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

    Feb. 7, https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1225728755248828416

    “Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

    Feb. 13, Fox News interview:
    “I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

    Feb 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

    Feb 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

    Feb 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

    Feb 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

    February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

    Feb 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    Feb 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

    Feb 28: The Corona virus is a Democrats new hoax.

    Feb. 29, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:
    “China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China - a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”

    March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

    March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

    March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work - some of them go to work, but they get better.”

    March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

    March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

    March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

    March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

    March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

    March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

    March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

    March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

    March 11: “We’re having to fix a problem that four weeks ago nobody ever thought would be a problem.”

    March 17: “This is a pandemic, I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

    March 19: "They had an obsolete system, and they had a system, simultaneously, that was not meant for this. It wasn’t meant for this. Nobody knew there’d be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion. Nobody has ever seen anything like this before."

    Mar 27 tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243407157321560071
    Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!

    So IMHO it was disaster.
     
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    Maybe you haven't, but plenty of people have and it just isn't true.

    Some might have not been as effective as they should, but at least Trump tried. Many were effective, Like prison reform, Unapproved medicine for the terminally ill. Two people appeared on one of his speaking engagements to say it has kept them alive. New generic medicines, etc.

    Well of course the economy cooled off after being hit with the COVID virus. Cooled off some before. But remember we also had a auto strike then.(2019 General Motors strike - Wikipedia) Thousands of people were coming down with the virus. Thousands of businesses were closed or cut way back. But it was still hot right up to we found out about the virus. A year ago last January. It said economist were blown away at how many jobs were created. Almost double than what they predicted.

    He did destroy norms, norms weren't working. High taxes and regulations didn't help the government and only hurt the economy. Over 300,000 factory jobs lost under Obama. We were in a service and part time economy that paid so little people couldn't make it even working two part time jobs. Thank God Trump did destroy the norms. What happened when he did? Jobs came back, wages up for blue collar workers and a all time high for the middle class. Minorities saw the lowest unemployment in their history. All the while the Democrats were screaming only the rich got richer and all we got was the scraps from the table. All they worry about is the rich. The rich will always get theirs, but Trump made sure we got richer too. That didn't happen under Obama's record high corporate tax and near record high regulations. We went down and the rich got richer.

    Trumps judicial nominees were as qualified as any the Democrats put up. They tried to ruin a man with a impeccable record just to try and keep him from being elected to the USSC. Paid off her lawyer who accused him of sexual misconduct.

    Extreme nepotism and profiteering? You mean like Biden's Son and Brother who got jobs they knew nothing about by using Biden's name? Or are you talking about Pelosi's Son and husband?

    Yes he did make the mistake of trying to hold up the vote to make Biden President, till an investigation could be done in what he thought was cheating in the election. But he never told those people to break into the Capital. He told them to fight, but to march down peacefully and patriotically and protest.
     
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    I don’t speak for other people but when you use the word you it is typically referring to the person you are speaking to.

    Which is why I has said he did some good things. All presidents no matter how bad are responsible for some good — the question is if that good is superior to the damage they caused.

    I do not use metrics after COVID as that wasn’t his fault. Him politicizing it was however.

    I am speaking of presidential norms. Demeanor, reporting, transfers of power — things like that.

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/trump-picks-more-not-qualified-judges-1
    To the USSC — how they rammed through picks has damaged the reputation of the court severely.

    Nepotism is hiring friends and family. It is not them using your last name to acquire jobs elsewhere. It is hiring your friends and donate to take over key positions in government.

    Profiteering is charging the taxpayer exorbitant fees for use of owned or property every week.

    He is still claiming he won. His base is still claiming he won. Even after dozens of audits by other Republicans.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/jan-6-protest-organizers-dozen-gop-reps-back-to-back-2021-10?amp
     
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    I'm not going to try and go down every one of your points, it would take me days to do it. Let me say if you have surfed the web for any time, you know that some posts stay up for days, weeks months and years. It's impossible to know how long any of them will be still up when you bring them up that you saved when you first saw them. That's what I did. When I saw them I saved them. Now some will still be up put up by others. You would have to put up the heading of what you want to know to see if someone does still have it up.

    Trump got all kinds of different advise from the experts on the virus. Want to talk about masks? As late as April, three months after we found out about the virus


    The United Nations public health agency previously recommended in early April only healthcare workers, those infected with the coronavirus and their caregivers should wear medical masks. WHO at the time said the use of medical masks among the general public could create a false sense of security and cause people to ignore social distancing measures and hygiene practices. The agency said another concern was people may contaminate themselves by touching their face more frequently when they adjust, remove and dispose of their masks. Medical mask supplies were also needed by medical professionals overwhelmed by the coronavirus pandemic.
    https://thehill.com/changing-americ...25-who-no-evidence-wearing-a-mask-can-protect

    Trump hijacked masks heading for Europe and Canada to keep his promise of America first. ( US Accused Of 'Modern Piracy' For Redirecting Face Mask Shipment From Germany) https://www.ibtimes.com/us-accused-modern-piracy-redirecting-face-mask-shipment-germany-2952449

    Trump has said a lot of stupid things. So has Democrats.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=Pelosi+says+get+out,+go+to+China+town/video&type=E211US1498G0#id=1&vid=47c9b4bd336f716ee925e4e20c198e8a&action=click

    Listen to the governors of NY and New Orleans, and the NY health department after they knew how bad the virus was, play it down and tell them to get out and eat, see the parade, ride the subway, etc.



     
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    I haven't seen anything Trump did that was that bad, outside of him wanting that gathering at the Capital to get the election postponed. He should have known that could have gotten out of hand with that many people. Pelosi should have realized it too and called out the National Guard.

    You mean giving real jobs to friends and family is wrong, but using your position as V.P to get your Son and Brother a job they don't even work is ok? Like your fairness.

    I would think if he charges the government for the use of his hotel or golf course his charges would have to be in line with other companies.
     
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    You don’t see anything that trump did as bad? What about retweeting “the only good Democrat is a dead one” — think that is presidential?

    Na, you probably agree with him.

    And yes, nepotism is wrong especially at the higher ends of our government. That you have switched to unproven assertions against Biden — who is also a shitty president — shows you don’t have an argument here except to deflect.

    Your excuse of his profiteering is vapid.
     
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    Ah, the left thinks words ARE action so ignore action. That’s why they excused all the preceding left wing violence across the country because the right things were spoken.
     
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    Again, I don’t speak for others. I denounced that violence as well.

    If you make excuses for what the right does while being triggered for what the left didn’t call out — you are no better then what you accuse them of being.

    That yours was done in the name of your party and was an attack on the foundations of this Nation seem lost on many of you.
     
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    When has Trump ever acted like the normal President? If these two things is the most you can find wrong with Trump he really has been a great President. Johnson has been known to use the ni-ar word all the time when talking about Blacks. Do you think that's ok? Nixon also had a dirty mouth. People, even Presidents say things they shouldn't. Most of the time it's not over heard and brought out. Many times it's only said in anger.

    What unproven assertions? It's been brought out his Son made $80,000 a month for a board position and he only had to show up at a meeting twice a year. He admitted on television that if he had another name he probable wouldn't have gotten the job.

    His Brother got a board position at a home builder company. Just a few months later that company got a contract to build homes in Iraq. He like Biden Son had no experience at all and his Son couldn't even speak or understand the language. At least Trumps kids worked for their money and did quite good. His Son in law helped negotiate a peace treaty between Israel and to Middle East countries. His Daught was instrumental in having Trump set up child care help for single mothers and a new job skill program for people with no or little skill, to help them get better jobs.
     
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    1. Hunter Biden admits he ‘probably’ wouldn’t have been on ...
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    Firm Employing Biden’s Brother Got More than $1.5 …
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    LOL, what?
     
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    Trump was definitely the worst in my lifetime being of legal age to vote.
     
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    You won't even admit all the wrong the Left does and I keep shoving it out there. The Democrats are so full of corruption it makes Trump look like a choir boy. The bias news knows this and they won't let it out. Obama was a total waste that did next to nothing right and changed the world forever with his fighting of ISIS. Even the one big thing he is noted for, he screwed up. Obama care was suppose to have all health care provider's subsidies stopped when his term was up and Obama Care was to make it on it's own. To this very day it's given out billions to keep it a float.
     
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    According to the left it was only a peaceful protest!
     
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