Was YHWH one of the Igigu ?

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Was YHWH one of the Igigu

  1. Yes - finally we know where Yah fit into the Pantheon

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  2. No - YHWH was a different mountain God.

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This Semitic term describes a group of possibly seven or eight gods. It is likely that the god Marduk was one of them, but the total membership in this group is unclear and likely changed over time.
    http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/igigi/index.html

    The heavy work in which these lesser God's were involved was in the mines - just to clarify what this is referring to.

    YHWH is originally thought to have been a Mining God .. like Vulcan , Hephaestus .. and Ptah. God of the Forge - God of smithing.

    The story of Yah parallels that of Marduk - a lesser God who rise in stature - eventually usurping "The Most High - Father -Creator" God Enlil as Chief deity on Earth.
     
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    I have never heard of the Igigu.
     
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    Very interesting! Regarding the mystery of the term "igigu," I can't help but notice the syllable "gig." Reminds me of Greek gigas and gigantikos, the origin of our word "gigantic." Perhaps they bear some relation to the Nephilim, the "giants," of Genesis and Numbers.

    Nephilim | Definition, Interpretations, & Scripture | Britannica
     
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    The term used -in the Bible is not "Nephilim" - the term used is "Sons of God" or more properly "Sons of Gods" .. and there was not a single soul during the time period being written about in the near east, that did not know exactly what "Sons of God" meant. - every city having their own patron God - normally a son of God .. such as Marduk or YHWH ... all vying to usurp Enlil as "Most High" - here on earth. .. while Enlil would retain the heavenly title.

    "In the prologue to the famous Code of Hammurabi it is indicated that the Anunnaki elevated the god Marduk among the Igigu gods" from previous link.

    Psalm 82 gives the story of YHWH being elevated .. https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa82.pdf
     
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    Igigi are the mythological figures of heaven in the mythology of Mesopotamia. Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Anunnaki", in one myth the Igigi were the younger beings who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans.[1]They were half human half animals. The workers were semi intelligent, the others not. It is their spirits that modern men call demons, or those who were never human.

    Etymology
    The name has unknown origin. The signs for the names, and one of the options for the etymology of the igigi are i2-gi3-gi3, which are the same signs for 5-1-1 or 5-60-60 5*(60+60)=600 which are by some traditions All the gods.[2] another option is to try to interpret the words themselves. Igi means (eye) in the Sumerian language, and it used as logogram in the Akkadian language, gi stands for (penetrate sexually).[3] Therefore, Igigi could be translated to (Eyes in the sky, the watchers, who deflower).[4]

    Igigi - Wikipedia
     
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    Pretty cool stuff! I'm not sure where YHWH falls. I know a little more about Marduk. I know when Sennacherib, king of Assyria, destroyed Babylon and took the statue of Marduk back to his capital, he upset everyone, to the point where he was assassinated by his own sons. I need to dig into this time period more.
     
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    OK .. so the God of Abraham is Enlil (EL) - Most High - Creator - Father - one who dwells on high (in the mountain) - we learn this when he meets the High Priest of Jerusalem at the time "Melchizedek". Melchizedek is both King and High Priest - a Priest King .. and like near every other city of the day .. had a patron God .. often you will find the King named after this God .. who is both king and religious leader. Zedek is the name of the Patron God of Jerusalem at the time .. a very interesting God

    but this God is not "the Most High" El is the Most high. So Abe - and this Canaanite High Priest - are both worshiping the same "Most High" who is El. Go look it up in encyclopedia brittanica .. this is the current scholarship -

    Note the name of the High Priest of Solomon's Temple - some 800-1000 years later - is Zadok .. and that this is the priestly line of Melchizedek .and not Aaron .. brother of Moses.

    So each city has patron God .. but all in the near east revere El as "The Most High" at the time of Abraham .. the usurpers .Marduk - YHWH ... come later.

    Go through the wars of the babylonians - Assyrians - look at the names of the kings .. most are named after the patron God - or the high God.

    Nebuchadnezzar Nabu - "Patron deity of Borsippa, god of wisdom and writing. In the first millennium BCE, Nabu is one of the most important Mesopotamian deities. First a minister of Marduk, he later becomes his co-regent at the head of the pantheon"

    Damn .. another usurper .. ..this time a co-regent.

    Do we not have the same pattern in Jesus - a Son of God who eventually usurps the position of the Father ?

    Indeed .. but the real question here is ... Does Jesus hail from the Priestly line of Aaron ? .. or Melchizedek ? .

    I know where my vote lies .. Check out Zedek ..

    One of the Kings of Jerusalem some 5-600 years after Abraham - prior to the arival of Joshua - the king is still named after Zedek .. still the patron Jerusalem ..

    ADONI-ZEDEK (Heb. אֲדֹנִי צֶדֶק; "[the god] Zedek [the god of justice] is lord" or, "my Lord is righteousness"), king of *Jerusalem at the time of the Israelite conquest of Canaan (Josh. 10:1–3). Adoni-Zedek was the leader of a coalition together with four of the neighboring *Amorite cities – Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish, and Eglon. The coalition was formed as a reaction to the conclusion of a covenant between the Israelites and the *Gibeonites as well as to the conquest of *Ai by the Israelites, who threatened the region and the sovereignty of the city-states over this area. The members of the coalition attacked Gibeon. The Gibeonites, however, solicited the aid of Joshua, who preferred to fight against the Amorites in an open area. The Amorites were defeated at Gibeon, and, finding no alternative route of escape, retreated to Beth-Horon where their pursuers routed them with the help of a hailstorm; the five allied kings hid in a cave at Makkedah but were found and killed. Nothing is said about the capture of Jerusalem, although its king had lost his life; a reduction of Jerusalem's influence, however, did result from the war.https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/adoni-zedek

    Hmmm -- Handles Messiah in my head " And he shall be called Wonderful Counciler (Justice)" "King of Righteousness" "Prince of Peace" - all epiphets of Zedek.

    Kind of Ironic that the forces of Israel are fighting against the "Prince of Peace" in Jerusalem.

    ahhh .. but whats in a name :)
     
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