Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

Where’s the straight to gay conversion therapy?

After all there’s no proof that anyone is born straight.

 

God sez being a homo is bad.

Bad homo! Bad!

Don't be gay, homo. Don't be gay. Praise Jesus!


That's science!

 

No, your uninformed opinion is meaningless.

 

Its only the methods used that should be considered in legislation. Although I would question as to why bother with conversion. I think most of it is decided once puberty is underway or over.

 

lol Sure you have.

Ok if you want to play, let's play. I'll start small.

The difference in health outcomes between women who identify as lesbians and women who report exclusive same-sex sexual behaviors or attractions is a good illustration of how the differences between sexual identity, behavior, and attraction matter.

[12] Susan D. Cochran and Vickie M. Mays, “Physical Health Complaints Among Lesbians, Gay Men, and Bisexual and Homosexually Experienced Heterosexual Individuals: Results From the California Quality of Life Survey,” American Journal of Public Health 97, no. 11 (2007): 2048–2055, http://dx.doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2006.087254.

[13] Christine E. Grella et al., “Influence of gender, sexual orientation, and need on treatment utilization for substance use and mental disorders: Findings from the California Quality of Life Survey,” BMC Psychiatry 9, no. 1 (2009): 52, http://dx.doi.org/10.1186/1471-244X-9-52.

[14] Theo G.M. Sandfort et al., “Sexual Orientation and Mental and Physical Health Status: Findings from a Dutch Population Survey,” American Journal of Public Health 96, (2006): 1119–1125, http://dx.doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2004.058891.

[15] Robert Graham et al., Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Institute of Medicine, The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People: Building a Foundation for Better Understanding (Washington, D.C.: The National Academies Press, 2011), http://dx.doi.org/10.17226/13128.

[16] Susan D. Cochran, J. Greer Sullivan, and Vickie M. Mays, “Prevalence of Mental Disorders, Psychological Distress, and Mental Health Services Use Among Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Adults in the United States,” Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 71, no. 1 (2007): 53–61, http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/0022-006X.71.1.53.

[17] Lisa A. Razzano, Alicia Matthews, and Tonda L. Hughes, “Utilization of Mental Health Services: A Comparison of Lesbian and Heterosexual Women,” Journal of Gay & Lesbian Social Services 14, no. 1 (2002): 51–66, http://dx.doi.org/10.1300/J041v14n01_03.

[18] Robert Graham et al., The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People, 4.

[19] Ibid., 190, see also 258–259.

[20] Ibid., 211.

[21] Esther D. Rothblum and Rhonda Factor, “Lesbians and Their Sisters as a Control Group: Demographic and Mental Health Factors,” Psychological Science 12, no. 1 (2001): 63–69, http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/1467-9280.00311.

[22] Stephen M. Horowitz, David L. Weis, and Molly T. Laflin, “Bisexuality, Quality of Life, Lifestyle, and Health Indicators,” Journal of Bisexuality 3, no. 2 (2003): 5–28, http://dx.doi.org/10.1300/J159v03n02_02.

[23] By way of context, it may be worth noting that in the United States, the overall suicide rate has risen in recent years: “From 1999 through 2014, the age-adjusted suicide rate in the United States increased 24%, from 10.5 to 13.0 per 100,000 population, with the pace of increase greater after 2006.” Sally C. Curtin, Margaret Warner, and Holly Hedegaard, “Increase in suicide in the United States, 1999–2014,” National Center for Health Statistics, NCHS data brief no. 241 (April 22, 2016), http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm.

[24] Ann P. Haas et al., “Suicide and Suicide Risk in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Populations: Review and Recommendations,” Journal of Homosexuality 58, no. 1 (2010): 10–51, http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/00918369.2011.534038.

[25] Ibid., 13.

[26] David M. Fergusson, L. John Horwood, and Annette L. Beautrais, “Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?,” Archives of General Psychiatry 56, no. 10 (1999): 876–880, http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/archpsyc.56.10.876.

[27] Paul J.M. Van Kesteren et al., “Mortality and morbidity in transsexual subjects treated with cross-sex hormones,” Clinical Endocrinology 47, no. 3 (1997): 337–343, http://dx.doi.org/10.1046/j.1365-2265.1997.2601068.x.

[28] Friedemann Pfäfflin and Astrid Junge, Sex Reassignment: Thirty Years of International Follow-Up Studies After Sex Reassignment Surgery: A Comprehensive Review, 1961–1991, Roberta B. Jacobson and Alf B. Meier, trans. (Düsseldorf: Symposion Publishing, 199, https://web.archive.org/web/20070503090247/http://www.symposion.com/ijt/pfaefflin/1000.htm.

[29] Jean M. Dixen et al., “Psychosocial characteristics of applicants evaluated for surgical gender reassignment,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 13, no. 3 (1984): 269–276, http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/BF01541653.

[30] Robin M. Mathy, “Transgender Identity and Suicidality in a Nonclinical Sample: Sexual Orientation, Psychiatric History, and Compulsive Behaviors,” Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality 14, no. 4 (2003): 47–65, http://dx.doi.org/10.1300/J056v14n04_03.


And that is just a small sample


Stigma may affect non-heterosexual individuals’ decisions about whether to disclose or conceal their sexual orientation. LGBT people may decide to conceal their sexual orientation to protect themselves against possible bias or discrimination, to avoid a sense of shame, or to avoid a potential conflict between their social role and sexual desires or behaviors.[106] Particular contexts in which LGBT people may be more likely to conceal their sexual orientation include school, work, and other places in which they feel that disclosure could negatively affect the way that people regard them.


There is a large amount of evidence from psychological research indicating that concealment of an important aspect of one’s identity may have adverse mental health consequences. In general, expressing one’s emotions and sharing important aspects of one’s life with others play large roles in maintaining mental health.[107] Recent decades have seen a growing body of research on the relationships between concealment and disclosure and mental health in LGBT subpopulations.[108] For example, a 2007 study[109] by Belle Rose Ragins and colleagues of workplace concealment and disclosure in 534 LGB individuals found that fear of disclosing was associated with psychological strain and other outcomes such as job satisfaction. However, the study also challenged the notion that disclosure leads to positive psychological and social outcomes, since employees’ disclosure was not significantly associated with most of the outcome variables. The authors interpret this result by saying that “this study suggests that concealment may be a necessary and adaptive decision in an unsupportive or hostile environment, thus underscoring the importance of social context.”[110] Due to the relatively rapid changes in social acceptance of same-sex marriage and of same-sex relationships more broadly in recent decades,[111] it is possible that some of the research on the psychological effects of concealment and disclosure is outdated, because in general there may now be less pressure for those identifying as LGB to conceal their identities.


Hatzenbuehler and colleagues attempted to improve on this cross-sectional study by doing a prospective study, published in 2010, this time examining changes in psychiatric morbidity over the period in which certain states passed constitutional amendments defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman — amendments that were described by the study’s authors as “bans on gay marriage.”[114] The authors examined differences in psychiatric morbidity between Wave 1 of NESARC, which took place in 2001–2002, and Wave 2, which coincided with the 2004 and 2005 state-constitutional amendments. They observed that the prevalence in mood disorders in LGB respondents living in states that passed marriage amendments increased by 36.6% between Waves 1 and 2. Mood disorders for LGB respondents living in states that did not pass marriage amendments decreased by 23.6%, though this change was not statistically significant. The prevalence of certain disorders increased both in states that passed such amendments and in states that did not. Generalized anxiety disorder, for example, increased in both, but by a much larger and statistically significant magnitude in states that passed marriage amendments. Hatzenbuehler and colleagues found that drug-use disorders increased more in states that did not pass marriage amendments, and the increase was statistically significant only for those states. (Total substance abuse disorders increased in both cases, by a roughly similar amount.) As with the earlier cross-sectional study, for the majority of the psychiatric conditions investigated there were no significant correlations between the conditions and the social policies that were hypothesized to have an influence on mental health outcomes.


So once again there is plenty of causality in these studies proving that the effect of passing gay marriage laws or not does not make any sigifigant process in the mental health issues of homosexuals.


BTW, this isn't an isolated revelation.


“For years I’ve noticed the divergence between my straight friends and my gay friends. While one half of my social circle has disappeared into relationships, kids and suburbs, the other has struggled through isolation and anxiety, hard drugs and risky sex.” And this has continued, Hobbes observed, even though “the gay community has made more progress on legal and social acceptance than any other demographic group in history.”

Yet, he laments, “even as we celebrate the scale and speed of this change, the rates of depression, loneliness and substance abuse in the gay community remain stuck in the same place they’ve been for decades. Gay people are now, depending on the study, between 2 and 10 times more likely than straight people to take their own lives. We’re twice as likely to have a major depressive episode. And just like the last epidemic we lived through, the trauma appears to be concentrated among men. In a survey of gay men who recently arrived in New York City, three-quarters suffered from anxiety or depression, abused drugs or alcohol or were having risky sex—or some combination of the three.”

Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.

Its the combination of those mental health issues that make it a mental disorder.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness


Go ahead, prove them wrong. Show us all how their studies that prove the psychological disorders in homosexuals and transsexuals are fake. You really have no idea what you stepped in.

 

Just the only method of natural procreation for human beings being heterosexual sex or the reality that even with the most hardcore far left census 95% of human beings are heterosexual.

Yeah, no proof at all

 

Yep. No proof at all

 

Just sad you can't even embrace the most basic science.

So how do you explain heteroseuxal sex being the only natural way humans can reproduce?

Or the reality that 95% at minum of human beings are heteroseuxal?

Alien influence? lol

 

So if a trait falls outside 95 percent of the population....that makes it abnormal and bad in some way?

 

Prove it that homosexuality is a "mental" disorder.

 

I know this is not going to work with anyone here who supports this 'choice of therapy', but I will try explain to those who are just ignorant rather than worse than ignorant. . You have to imagine that some psycho- therapies are not seen by The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association and the American Pediatric Association as merely 'ineffective', but are seen as often actually harmful and destructive to children and teens. They may feel so strongly that they assert it is actual malpractice or unethical to perform those therapies on kids. Its not a lot different than doctors who prescribe opioids for pain at whatever level the parents and their minor kids ask them to, regardless of the real risk of addiction. Its just not enough to say the parents and kids are in agreement so the providers should concur. If it is seen by virtually all major professional medical organizations much more likely to do harm than good, two choices are one too many.

There I tried. I will not respond to replies indiscriminately. I am going to be picky. I won't waste my time with obstinate or bigoted posters.

 

hell yeah, they finally banned the legal torture of gay teens

 

Not possible. I'm bisexual. I've also dabbled in a lot of experiments on my own mind. It's far easier to manually control your perception of time than to control the nature of your desire.

 

Sure thing. I'll post some research articles tomorrow. Any area you'd like me to focus on?

 

Based on those standards, playing pinball is a mental disorder. It produces no children! Hardly anyone does it! You realize that most of the sex that people are out there having in this country doesn't produce children, right?

 

It was my feelings I expressed.
How dare you!

 

This doesn't mean that all humans are born straight. At best it means that most humans choose a heterosexual lifestyle.

 

I read the first cite you provided. It contradicts you.

Lesbians and bisexual and homosexually experienced heterosexual women reported a greater variety of health conditions and limitations compared with exclusively heterosexual women; however, these differences mostly disappeared when distress levels were taken into account.

 

This is from another of your cites:

Disparities in mental health in relation to sexual orientation are primarily understood as a consequence of so-called minority stress.3,13 Minority stress involves a distal–proximal dimension, with stress resulting from objective, external events and conditions, the expectations of such events and the vigilance this expectation requires, the internalization of negative social attitudes, and the concealment of one’s sexual orientation.

 

Or the day he decides to grow three inches.

 

If God hates homos why does his son look like such a sissy.

 

If you don't care about conversion therapy, why waste everyone's time by posting on the thread then?

 

Got through the first page of posts and can't believe the left still thinks it's better for the government village to raise a parent's kids.

 

Speaking of ignorance, can you name any scientific study that was presented to the conference in 1974 when homosexuality was removed from being labeled a psychological disorder by vote? Can you btthegreat?

This blind faith you have in this organization without having a clue about their history on this very subject is really sad.

I do find it amusing you speak of the destruction of teens while you fully support (and I've read your posts so I know you do) of not only feeding incredibly dangerous hormonal drugs to a child but actual genital removal before they are of adult age. How do you justify that incredible double standard in your thinking?

 

Um... I am not obliged to. I am not constrained by the year, or that one group, or that one subject. Conversion therapy studies are not dependent on that years' decision , or its conclusion. The question that these professional organisations plural, address on separate occasions is the effectiveness and risks of that course of therapy. I do have a lot more confidence in them cumulatively than what you are likely to provide. Its not like I am stuck with American organisations either. The British or Australian or French or Canadian equivilants might have some ideas as well.

As for trans surgeries issues, you may not have come to a clear understanding of my views on those as well. I have not posted a hell of a lot on that topic and there may be 'complications' justifying a more or less aggressive approach to therapy. Read very carefully.