WATCH LIVE | Impeachment trial of President Trump resumes in Senate

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    If Trump had been a popular President and thereby managed to maintain even a slim majority in the House, then he would not have been impeached.

    The fact that he was unpopular and that he lost even more seats than is average for an unpopular President is the result of his own ****-ups.

    Again, without Trump's multiple ****-ups, he would not have been impeached.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's dumb though since the articles were "closed" already. Hard to figure what Nancy was thinking. Surely she didn't really think that she could use the articles as leverage to set Mitch's Senate trial rules. If that was really her thinking, she has indeed lost her marbles...which may be the best explanation.
     
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    I bet Biden could easily be convinced that the conspiracy theory resulting in Trump abusing the power of his office and committing impeachable offenses is a net win.
     
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    I mean...it's a pretty simple statistic.

    The number of House Seats lost by a President is connected to their popularity. The average number of seats lost by an unpopular President, i.e. a President who is underwater in their approval ratings, is about 34 seats. Trump lost 41. In contrast, a popular President is only going to lose about 7 seats.

    And yes, Obama was unpopular at the time of his first midterm, which is why he lost even more seats.

    The point is not to say that losing the majority automatically meant Trump would be impeached. And indeed, as recently as mid-september, almost no one believed Trump would be impeached in his first term.

    And then he ****ed up AGAIN and got caught doing it.
     
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    It's amazing that they were in such a hurry to get the articles done that Trump was such a clear and present danger they didn't even subpoena the White House but now they want the Senate to slow down and subpoena the White House. I notice a pattern here. A bunch of liberals are too lazy to do the heavy lifting so they try to put it off on someone else.
     
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    Obama lost 63 seats in The House. Again, does that make him less popular than Trump? Should they have impeached Obama because he lost that many seats? I bet that would be real popular with the Democrats if that happens in the future. It just might.
     
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    The failed Mueller report had a lot to do with it.
     
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    Is because most people have other responsibilities:

     
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    Yes, I'm sure that Biden is happy that Nancy chose to focus on one phone call that had his name and Hunter's name all over it. She really helped him out there! :D
     
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    Probably she thought that the Mainstream Media would HOWL about evil GOPer senators giving Trump a free ride until the senate craved . . . as normally they would. Being spineless when push comes to shove has always been the greatest problem with GOPer politicians.
     
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    Got his political opponent impeached and Biden maintained his frontrunner status, didn't he?
     
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    Is Trump more popular than Obama was at this point in his presidency? Has Obama ever been less popular than Trump's worst? Did Obama get impeached? Did I ever say or imply that Trump's impeachment makes any future impeachment more or less likely?

    No. No. No. No.
     
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    They screwed up the articles of the impeachment and failed to dig up any meaningful evidence and so now they want the GOP controlled Senate to agree to destroy Trump for their sake. I suspect they were hoping that the leftist loyalist Mainstream Media HOWLING about how they are letting Trump off Scott free would stampede them into doing the House's work for them.
     
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    Yeah, I don't know. Republicans have sort of gotten used to the rantings and lies from the left and their media over the years. I know what you mean though about the old RINO's rolling over.

    Nancy's motivations for the hold are still perplexing to me. One other thought is that she wanted to wait a few weeks, hoping to see a huge rise in public opinion against Trump....but even that flat lined on her and started to work against her.

    It seems she thought she had some "huge win" here for her party, but everything the Dems have tried against Trump has gone south.
     
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    Did it? Got any evidence to support that assertion beyond you feelings?

    The Mueller report was not mentioned in political ads, the Russia investigation was one of the very least important issues for any prospective voters, and the exit polls showed that the people who did care about the Russia investigation were more likely to vote for Trump.
     
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    Media seems to be pushing Warren lately. But then again, the less they put Biden in front of a camera, the better for Biden. Kind of like Hillary, only worse.
     
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    Bwahahahaha! It was all over the news. Were you living under a rock?
     
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    The House Managers on the floor admitted that going to federal court would get in the way of impeaching the President before the election.
     
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    The masks are off.
     
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    If separation of powers, or executive privilege, can be fractured by an end-run around the Judicial branch to the senate, then it's not only impeachment at stake, the constitutional process is under attack.
     
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    I've got two problems with that

    1. Your use of the phrase conspiracy theory when talking about Biden and Ukraine. The is evidence of foul play how much can be debated but their is some. You talk as if Biden Ukraine is the same as seeing big foot or Ufos...

    2. Let's say it was all 4 d chess by Biden to goad Trump into doing something wrong for it to pay off wouldn't Trump have to be removed?
     
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    It wasn’t a trial
    Now it is.
    Is this a hard concept to grasp??
     
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    Which of those applies to Lev Parnas?
     
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    No, her intent was to shine a big spotlight on the cover up plan. And now nearly 70% of the nation wants witnesses!
     
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    I has ZERO comparisons to a trial like you or I would go through so to make comparisons like that is total bs.

    So your saying now Trump has a right to face his accuser? Ok
     
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