WE ARE BEING LIED TOO BY BIDEN AND THE PENTAGON FOR GOOD REASON

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  1. Condor060

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    You want to know why we have Americans held in Kabul and why the Pentagon and Biden aren't telling you the truth. HERE IT IS

    Trump released 5000 Taliban fighters as part of the deal he made. Since the Taliban were going to get them anyway, Its called A freebie. Anyone who thinks the Talban wasn't going to get them back is just not playing in reality. Hence, they just took over Kabul.

    And for that freebie, Trump made a deal that released over 1000 Afghan service members, guaranteed the safety of all American soldiers which is why not one American soldier was killed in the last 18 months, no more road side bombs, got 13,000 American troops home, guaranteed the safe exit of our personnel from Kabul.

    The agreement with Trump forced the Taliban and the Afghans to draw up a cease fire as well as a peace agreement. Our part of the bargain was to be out by May 2020. 80% of American want us out of Afghanistan and that agreement was upheld until Biden decided to cancel that agreement.

    In January, while Biden was reversing everything Trump accomplished, he announced we will not be pulling out of Afghanistan by May with no reason why.
    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/biden-refuses-afghanistan-withdrawal-may-1/

    The Taliban warned Biden they will not abide by the agreement if the May date wasn't upheld. Biden announced no reason he refused to honor that date but we know why he decided not to. Biden wanted to take credit for getting out of Afghanistan so this idiot changed the date (for publicity reasons) to 9/11 trying to make it look like he was in charge and he would be the one who got us out.

    So the Taliban ordered their soldiers out of retreat and started their seizure of Afghan cites. Guess what date they started? May 1st. Biden stated they would pull out by 9/11 but when the Taliban came crawling over the hill to take Kabul, Biden did a midnight last minute order to evacuate our soldiers and embassy to the airport leaving American civilians and US allies behind because he didn't have any time to get them out.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...w-fast-they-re-advancing-afghanistan-n1272236

    If Biden can get the embassy and soldiers out overnight, why did he need to wait until 9/11?

    The president and military leader of Kabul saw the writing on the wall which is why he left the country two days prior to Bidens evacuation order. A large portion of the American aircraft provided to the Afghan Air Force has ended up in neighboring Uzbekistan, after hundreds of Afghan service members used U.S. supplied planes and helicopters to flee the oncoming Taliban, Then Biden tries to claim he has no idea why this leaderless army didn't fight to protect Americans? He knew this UP FRONT.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghan...takeover-in-u-s-supplied-aircraft-11629292300

    So now, no agreement exist with the Taliban as we refused to uphold the agreement
    The Taliban took over Kabul as they said they would if we abandoned the agreement
    We have over 10,000 Americans abandoned in Kabul with no way to get to the Taliban surrounded airport
    We had to send in another 6000 troops but Biden has ordered them to stay at the airport
    Germany, France, the Dutch, and the British have sent their own special forces to go door to door to get their people out

    And Biden is claiming he has an agreement with the Taliban to release Americans to the airport? Yet Americans are calling our own news networks because they are being beaten and shot if they approach Taliban check points.

    So Biden claims no agreement with the Taliban is valid but now he is negotiating with the Taliban for the return of American civilians? How does that work?

    Since the Taliban didn't start their seizure of Afghanistan until May 1st, it proves they intended to honor the deal they made. It also took them almost 4 months to get to Kabul.

    Had Biden just honored the agreement, we had complete control of Kabul and this would have been a simple exit without Taliban interference. But Biden decided to abandon our air base and air support 30 days ago leaving 800 billion in American war aircraft and weapons.

    Did you even notice Biden and the Pentagon are announcing how many people are being evacuated but they are not giving ANY numbers on Americans? Today, Pentagon spokesperson Kirby verified we have evacuated around 2500 Americans but that number includes the 2000 original Americans evacuated with the troops.

    So the real number after the evacuation is about 500. Which is why they want to give total numbers and not American numbers.

    So this current hostage situation was have in Kabul is because Biden didn't want Trump to take credit for the evacuation as agreed. Thats the bottom line.

    NOBODY has provided any reason why Trumps plan shouldn't have been followed
    NOBODY has provided any reason why Biden changed the evacuation date.
     
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    Meh, negotiating with the Taliban or negotiating with Democrats is about the same thing.
     
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    I can provide the reason. There are two of them - politics and incompetence.
     
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    Its no wonder why even the leftist bought and paid for media (ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) are calling Biden incompetent. Thats as rare as the same media praising Trump.
     
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    Some former senior Trump officials now call that agreement fatally flawed, saying it did little more than provide cover for a pullout that Mr. Trump was impatient to begin before his re-election bid. They also say it laid the groundwork for the chaos unfolding now in Kabul.

    “Our secretary of state signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban,” Mr. Trump’s second national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said of Mr. Pompeo during a podcast interview with the journalist Bari Weiss on Wednesday. “This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”

    And in an interview with CNN on Wednesday, former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said that, while President Biden “owns” the ultimate outcome in Afghanistan, Mr. Trump had earlier “undermined” the agreement through his barely disguised impatience to exit the country with little apparent regard for the consequences. That included an October 2020 declaration by Mr. Trump that he wanted the 5,000 American troops then in Afghanistan home by Christmas.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/19/us/politics/trump-biden-afghan-taliban.html

    So......Trump committed the US to a timeline that a Biden admin assessment found wasn't tenable after conducting a complete policy review.

    Biden’s decision comes after an administration review of U.S. options in Afghanistan, where U.S.-midwifed peace talks have failed to advance as hoped and the Taliban remains a potent force despite two decades of effort by the United States to defeat the militants and establish stable, democratic governance. The war has cost trillions of dollars in addition to the lives of more than 2,000 U.S. service members. At least 100,000 Afghan civilians have been injured or killed.

    “This is the immediate, practical reality that our policy review discovered,” said one person familiar with the closed-door deliberations who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss policy planning. “If we break the May 1st deadline negotiated by the previous administration with no clear plan to exit, we will be back at war with the Taliban, and that was not something President Biden believed was in the national interest.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...8c3cae-9beb-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html

    Some former senior Trump officials now call that agreement fatally flawed, saying it did little more than provide cover for a pullout that Mr. Trump was impatient to begin before his re-election bid.
    If there was a complete withdrawal plan drawn up by the Trump admin I haven't heard of it. Which makes me wonder how committed Don was to the withdrawal. It could have been part of a campaign strategy so he could take credit for the withdrawal without completing it. He's been known to waffle on foreign policy issues before.

    You really think changing the date for withdrawal rather than being the prez who completed it would be the determining factor in who got credit for the withdrawal? Get a grip. Besides, Trump is now running from the role he played.
     
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    So they couldn't withdraw our people over 4 months while Kabul was not overrun by the Taliban but they could do it overnight when the Taliban took over the city.
    Got it.

    I would guess its the same reason Bidens own bought and paid for media (CBS, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) is labeling him as incompetent.
    Most likely the very same reason UK Parliament has held Biden in contempt
    The same reason Biden is now negotiating with terrorist to get Americans out of Kabul.

    The results of Biden not pulling out on the agreed date is playing out for the world to see. And you want everyone else to get a grip?
    lol
     
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    I just thought I'd add this for context regarding the equipment we were forced to leave behind due to the unexpected speed with which the Taliban has seized control of the country. Some of which was intentionally left in the hands of the Afghan security forces who have cowardly capitulated.

    WASHINGTON — The Pentagon on Tuesday reached the midpoint in its herculean task of withdrawing troops and equipment out of Afghanistan.

    The U.S. military has removed the equivalent of approximately 500 loads of material flown out of the country by large cargo aircraft, according to an update from U.S. Central Command.

    Approximately 13,000 pieces of equipment that will not be left to the Afghan military have also been handed over to the Defense Logistics Agency for destruction. The U.S. has officially handed over six facilities to the Afghan military.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/us-forces-are-halfway-through-their-withdrawal-from-afghanistan.html
     
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    The withdrawal began months ago. See post #7. There wasn't a sense of urgency as there is now because the Taliban's quick advance wasn't expected.
     
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    Kind of make its hard to evacuate our equipment when you abandon our only air base where the equipment is located 30 days before evacuating Kabul.
     
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    POTUS 46 was setup for failure by 45, Cojones Joe and America won't fail. They will all be home soon.
     
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    Wrong, The Embassy posted information on their website. They were not evacuating Americans. If they did, why do we have the same number trapped in the city as we did a month ago.
     
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    Biden failed on his own. And the world and his own media are holding him accountable.
    Now we are negotiating with terrorist to get our people out while Germany, Britain, France, and the Dutch have sent over their own special forces to go door to door to get their people out.
    Biden is an incompetent buffoon.
     
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    Biden can change the immigration policy on the border, stop construction of the wall, and change process for ICE agents, with the single swipe of the pen. But, when it comes to Afghanistan, Biden was locked into Trumps arrangements?

    Give me a break.
     
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    37,000+ are out of Afghanistan as of yesterday. Great job Cojones Joe and America!
     
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    POTUS 46* could have easily changed the plans, and apparently DID change the plans, resulting in his screw up.

    * cheated the election
     
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    And ONLY 500 of those are Americans according to Pentagon spokesman Kirby.
    What else ya got
     
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    Exactly. This is a dumb argument from the left. Nobody is buying that BS.
     
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    The Taliban were the 3rd member of that agreement. Everything else you listed was internal. Just for context.
     
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    Read post#18, thanks. As for the "cheating, the dems are Gods, they control everything but the state elected officials. Why are they so shortsighted.
     
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    You realize, of course, that the "agreement" with the Taliban is separate and completely different than a plan to get Americans out of Afghanistan, right?
     
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    I did, it's wrong.
     
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    HAHAHAHA! OK, then.
     
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    The logic is above proving post #18 wrong. Thanks.
     
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    Go for it. I got a few minutes.
     
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    What does that change?

    People need to stop saying Biden is alleviated of guilt related to our withdraw and it's all Trumps fault. Absolute non-sense. Biden could have overriden Trumps plan, revised it, kicked it to the curb, renegotiated with other parties... he could of done anything he wanted.

    We also don't know how the Taliban would have reacted if Trump was still president. Trump threatened to chase them down and kill them if they attempted a coup against the Afghan government. Maybe they would have attempted, maybe they wouldn't... but they did under Biden. Based on the fact that Biden isn't fighting to get American's out... the Taliban probably knew he was weak and made their decision.
     

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