We are now at the beginning of the "second wave"....

Discussion in 'Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions' started by Golem, Oct 2, 2020.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,519
    Likes Received:
    18,645
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We were alerted that this would come. And the alert came with warnings that the second wave of Covid 19 would be much worse than the first.

    So now we have the President in the Hospital. And the following 5 in the line of succession will likely be entering into quarantine. Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, Chick Grassley, Mike Pompeo and Steve Mnuchin.

    Of course, as a Democrat, I think Nancy Pelosi would do great. But among the others... only Chuck Grassley looks like a decent choice.

    Anyway... this is going to be a rough winter. And we are not any better prepared now than we were in January. If Trump's hospitalization does not move his loyalists into wearing masks, this is going to be a very rough winter.
     
  2. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2014
    Messages:
    8,685
    Likes Received:
    2,069
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not gonna Lie..I could tell.
    On Discord 4 of My developers had a Covid related issue in their Family and had to take a break from the project just today...None of them withen 100 miles of each other. 2 of them over seas.
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2020
  3. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,506
    Likes Received:
    7,247
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I will continue to wear a mask as long as doing so remains voluntary.
     
  4. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,519
    Likes Received:
    18,645
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't care. If it were mandatory you'd probably be paying fines that could help law enforcement make many people wear them.

    We tried the "voluntary" option. And it was a complete failure. If there is one thing that the last 9 or so months have proven is that there are too many people (mostly right-wingers) who can't be trusted to behave like adults. So, for the sake of those who do behave like adults, they must be treated like children.
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2020
    Montegriffo and Sallyally like this.
  5. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    56,578
    Likes Received:
    16,662
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The second wave, 20% of the pop has immunity already having caught it and recovered. Hell the whole purpose of the lock down was to spread it out over as long a period of time and we could. And we are vastly better prepared this time than we were last we know what the best cures and Treatments are, several vaccines are working through the system nicely in multiple countries and while I do wear a mask when I'm out public, as much to keep the screaming ninnies at Bay as any safe guard it provides me against covid, I find the constant fear mongering annoying as hell.
     
  6. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,506
    Likes Received:
    7,247
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's fine, you can advocate for whatever you like. There's nothing incompatible about our views on this - I'm just as happy wearing a mask when it is voluntary as I am not wearing one when it is mandatory. I have no preference for either scenario.

    As it is practically nobody anywhere near me wears a mask as we put into place hard international, interstate, and even intrastate borders rather than lockdowns and mandates, so the question is rather moot in my area.

    I am happy that we finally nailed down the lack of a national mask mandate as a concrete example of a policy he did not take which you see as essential.
     
  7. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,924
    Likes Received:
    13,462
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    We don't have any proof that getting it makes you immune. We do have some data that suggests otherwise. It's inconclusive.
     
  8. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,924
    Likes Received:
    13,462
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    So you don't wear your seatbelt, because, **** government? Really?

    (I'm not in favor of it being mandatory.)
     
  9. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,506
    Likes Received:
    7,247
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm on public property when I'm on the road, so the cases aren't identical, but to some extent yes. I often forego the seat belt for small journeys.

    Also, I am more afraid of a collision than I am of the consequences of contracting COVID-19. A crash at 80km/h has a rather higher fatality rate.
     
  10. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,924
    Likes Received:
    13,462
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    When in a grocery store, you are on private property, who are completely entitled to have restrictions.

    My county has made masks mandatory, even when outside, being physical, alone. I do not comply, so I cede your point, to a point. That is a very unusual situation, though. I'm not hanging out with people maskless.
     
  11. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,506
    Likes Received:
    7,247
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree emphatically.

    In my state of Australia we never seriously locked down and never have had mask mandates, we just enforced a hard international, interstate, and regional (within the state) border.

    I favour this approach. Life continues as normal within the bubble. Nightclubs are open. Nobody is forced by law to work from home. I haven't seen a single person social distance in months.
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2020
  12. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you kidding? Pelosi is in China Town......
     
  13. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    56,578
    Likes Received:
    16,662
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If it doesn't then we are wasting our time on a vaccine... By the way the evidence is fairly conclusive for most people like 90% or so now if you have some sort of immuno deficiency disorder you're pretty well and thoroughly screwed.
     
  14. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    15,668
    Likes Received:
    1,957
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It is voltunary. You get the choice of wearing one or staying home.

    You can't enter any public building without one.
     
  15. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Messages:
    16,924
    Likes Received:
    13,462
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I think we're learning more and more by the day, and we shouldn't rush to conclusions for facts not in evidence.

    Take it seriously, until it's time not to.

    Take each piece of positive information as a good thing filled with hope, and take every piece of negative information as a cautionary tale.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,409
    Likes Received:
    26,536
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'd have to take exception to that. We know more about the virus, a vaccine is likely going to be widely available within 6-9 months, there is more testing, and there is more mask wearing.

    The biggest problem is the idiotic behavior of Trumpette's who still refuse to utilize what we know and follow safety protocols. That includes every day citizens, Repub office holders, and Capt. COVID himself.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2020
    Sallyally likes this.
  17. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    27,905
    Likes Received:
    10,504
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So ill ask again, since nobody on the left seems capable of answering.

    When did the covid goals become preventing the spread outright?

    Initially, we closed the economy, social distance, wore masks to not overwhelm the medical system. During the initial wave, we were nowhere near overwhelming the medical system. Same as now.

    When did the goals change?
     
  18. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    27,905
    Likes Received:
    10,504
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If everything around you that is problematic because of republicans, it isnt them with the issue.

    Just saying. Maybe a little self evaluation is in order.
     
  19. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No one ever said that mitigation efforts had ONLY keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed as the goal.

    It was the most important goal when hospitals were near peak. It was never the ONLY goal.

    And oh yea...hospitals in Wisconsin ARE near capacity...just as the anti-maskers are pushing hard against mitigation efforts.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2020
  20. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We ARE into the dreaded second wave folks. Buckle up. The ride is about to get rough again

    NY just hit 1700 daily cases after months of being in the 500-700 range.

    Under 1000 and testing and tracing and selective isolation is a viable response. We are about to get beyond that...
     
  21. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How do you get 20%?
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2020
  22. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That would mean 70 million people...no?
     
    ChiCowboy likes this.
  23. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,519
    Likes Received:
    18,645
    Trophy Points:
    113
    7 million is 20% of the population? Looks like you have a much much bigger problem than just not understanding science.

    And where did you get the idea that they can't catch it again?

    And the most important question of all: why am I wasting my time responding to this nonsense?
     
    clennan and ChiCowboy like this.
  24. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Decimal points and percentages confuse many people. (So does politics.)
     
    Curious Always likes this.
  25. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    31,455
    Likes Received:
    34,888
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Keeping hospitals from being over-burdened was always the short-term goal. Finding effective countermeasures was always the long-term goal. What's confusing about that? It's standard protocol.
     
    clennan likes this.

Share This Page