We Will rebuild the Middle Class

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First they wanted to eliminate the 2nd Amendment, then they wanted rewrite the 1st. Now they/she wants to eliminate the electoral college.

    The left wants to eliminate things which have been part of our country since the day we were founded.

    Ever notice how the left never advocates for EC votes being proportionate to the number of votes in a state? If CA gets one vote more than 50% for a specific candidate then all electoral college votes go to that one candidate. If fairness is the issue, then why doesn't CA allot their electoral votes proportionate to the number of votes each candidate received?

    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/...url=https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-889334.html
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Until recently, the Electoral College has served America well for 240 years. Permitting a majority the right to rule over a minority is the worst form of repression.
     
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    Well here is a nice hyperbolic post of bullshit.
     
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    Another example of Democrats hating America and wanting to fundamentally transform it into a global socialist police state run by oligarchs out of Europe.
     
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    13 states is all that's required to block any constitutional amendment, which is what is required to end the Electoral College.

    That said, each state determines how they allocate their electoral votes. 48 states issue them popular vote winner of state takes all. Maine and Nebraska give the winner of each Congressional district's vote, the vote for their elector, and then the overall state winner gets the two for the senators.
     
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    Like slavery and women not allowed the vote??

    It does seem like a pretty archaic piece of election law to me.

    I've been BEGGING for what you state at the end... I've personally documented each election that way going back to 1952, as a hobby. (Ping me if you'd like any specific data)

    The right wouldn't like the results... Guess what 2 elections would have had different outcomes with EC being proportionate to state vote??

    That's right... 2000 and 2016...
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, I am glad you agree
     
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    That would also be fine if every state did it. And would not require a constitutional amendment.
     
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    Perhaps.

    What would you say to all the states that refused to join the union until there was such a system? Delaware, for example, threatened to ally itself 'with some foreign power' as a means to protect itself from the tyranny of the majority (citing Virginia's vast population advantage at the time) prior to 'The Great Compromise' that resulted in the EC. Most of the smaller states held similar positions early in our nations nations history.

    Many still view the EC as a contractual condition of union 'membership' floabt.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would I love that.

    If it had been in place last election...Trump would still be in bankruptcy court as a realty failure rather than in the White House.
     
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    So how would you get 38 states to agree?
     
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    I'm in favor of a proportional electoral college vote allotment in each state. I think it would represent the will of the people a lot better than the "winner take all" method currently employed by most states. But it is unlikely to ever get through the state legislatures. Think about it, why would California's solidly democratic state legislature pass a bill that would only reduce the number of electoral college votes received by the democratic presidential candidate? Likewise for a Republican legislature. Partisan politicians never do anything to reduce the power of their party.
     
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    I seriously doubt we could.

    I think the Electoral College is here to stay. And I think it will work in favor of the Republicans...even though Trump was suggesting the EC is unfair to the Republicans.

    Oh, well...he is a fool, we all know that. But, since he thinks it, I wonder why he hasn't used his influence to try to change it?
     
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    Of course progressives want to ditch the EC. They figure they'll always have the demographic game locked down by offering free this and that, pandering to youth and minorities. Otherwise they wouldn't support getting rid of it. It's that simple.
     
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    It's not about a majority of people in a few radically run states! Its about a nation and union of states and every American in every state having a voice.. It so simple, win the hearts of the nation and win, or, keep on running candidates that only appeal to the worst this country has to offer..

    Jesus bro, an orange democrat convert beat the hell out of the party of FREE stuff, think about that a moment!
     
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    You seem to think bankruptcy is something only Trump deals with..

    Expanding your view points on subjects might change your fractured ideas of things ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    First they wanted to eliminate the 2nd Amendment, then they wanted rewrite the 1st.
    I call BS.

    Now they/she wants to eliminate the electoral college.
    It is an interesting idea that deserves discussion. Warren obviously wants to see if this idea has legs. It is important for the Democratic candidates to distinguish themselves, and Warren also needs something to help boost her with her health care ideas not going over too well and her polling starting to sag.

    The left wants to eliminate things which have been part of our country since the day we were founded.

    Like slavery and a restriction of suffrage to white male landowners?
     
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    Actually, they want to silence every state and American that doesn't follow their warped way of thinking, SEE California!
     
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    She only has a 1/1024 chance of getting elected and she is a Constitutional Dunce as the President does not have the power to eliminate the Electoral College.
     
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    Id tolerate at least making the electoral college be more evenly distributed by population.
     
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    He doesn’t have the power to implement term limits either, yet trump pretended he’d do it as president
     
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    "Will" eliminate, or would like to eliminate it? I think that's an issue of word choice.
     
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    Warren can't eliminate the electoral college. It takes a constitutional amendment to do that. 2/3rds approval of the amendment in both the House and the Senate, then 3/4ths of the states must ratify it. It ain't gonna happen.

    As to how each state awards its electoral votes, that is left to the legislatures of each state. 48 states go with the winner take all model, 2 go with the congressional district model. I'l like to see a couple of changes to the electoral college, but not done away with. The threat of tyranny of the majority over the minority is real.

    My change which each state legislature could implement on their own without a constitutional amendment. It would involve the 48 winner take all states. I would like to see it a must for any candidate to receive a majority of that states vote for a candidate to receive all of that states electoral votes. 50% plus one. If no candidate received a majority, 50% plus one, then the state resorts to the congressional district method with the plurality winner receiving the last two electoral votes. I'd leave Maine and Nebraska alone.
     
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    One of the quickest and easiest ways to bring the EC more in line with proportional representation would be to remove the Reapportionment Act of 1929. The day Democrats take the Senate they should make this a legislative priority.

    Removing it would add about 65 Representatives to larger states and make the House more representative of the population differences.
    Both Bush and trump would have never been elected had this law not been allowed to stand.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said nothing to suggest I think "bankruptcy is something only Trump deals with." (Although he does seem to deal with it more than the average bear.)

    But you had to invent it so that you could say...



    ...that!

    It was a laughable attempt. Anyone with a functioning brain could see through it.
     
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