Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Steve N, Dec 3, 2019.
The EC protects the will of the people.
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Yes you do. You have none of he rights you listed.
That's not an excuse for denying equality.
Or, did you think the majority of our nation sees being governed by low population flyover states as a rational choice?
Your cat typing a novel is not in the same category as implementing a particular political arrangement, like the EC. One is possible, the other is impossible. These are called "counterfactuals" and they necessarily involve "what if" questions and speculation.
The right to buy Chinese goods cheaply has sold out and is selling out a whole lot of Americans and American towns. We've had that for a long time. A whole lot of Americans no longer want it.
Illegal aliens drive down wages, hurting Americans.
A FEDERAL Judge ruled earlier this year that members of the electoral college can vote whichever way they want and do not have to vote as their state voted and they cannot be replaced for voting as they want
If they didn't want it, they would stop buying cheap Chinese goods. Instead, the America-China trade deficit set a record just last year. Americans not only WANT Chinese stuff, we've become addicted to it. This shallow narcissistic consumerist society is the end result of the whole "keeping up with the Jones's" mentality we've been steeped in all these years. He with the most toys wins, right?. It's even crept into Christianity. Look up "prosperity gospel".
But I ought to yes? If I was a free man, right? If I lived in a capitalist country instead of fascist leaning statist one, right? I’d have these things if men held liberty, reason, and honor as their primary virtues, right? And you’re right, I don’t, and Trump isn’t. Such is our President, such is the way of America today—moral suicide.
That is absolute nonsense.
The EC doesn't and never did have ANYTHING to do with "protecting the will of the people".
It was created to give low population states more influence than their tiny population warrants - thus leaving the majority with LESS representation, not equal representation, not protected representation.
God forbid individuals live happy and prosperous. The one thing Christianity does worship is pain and suffering, not by the guility for their sins, but by the innocent for their virtue. Now that’s truly a sacrifice.
I would agree, but it also has to do with us ignoring the realities of capitalism.
Somehow we thought that we could rely on US manufacturing to keep it's old time roll of good pay, union protection and old time processes.
Now, when every country can compete with us in manufacturing and when we are replacing jobs with automation we have left workers behind and havn't figured out where our future competitive edge lies.
Right. So, the will of the people is even futher eroded.
We can't even tell if the electors who reprsent our votes will actually represent our votes!
What more could we possibly ask for.
We really do need to impeach this president and jail his unregistered foreign agents with the eastern oligarch connections.
Surely he's done enough for Russia that they will let him build his Moscow hotel.
This is what I'm talking about people
First, if you ain't generating responses like this you're not trying hard enough.
And second, Democrats sound like 9/11 truthers. Don't be a Democrat
That doesn't solve the fact that underpopulated flyover states are GROSSLY overrepresented.
Our major issues have to do with the well populated states that have the majority of our production and face the issues of population density - which are NOT shared by flyover states.
Too bad none of those are rights. Those are delusions, wishes or suggestions. Nice try though. I appreciate your enthusiasm You understand that Obama negotiated with psychotic murders too? Again, which RIGHTS did he violate? From this post its quite obvious you dont' understand what a right is, so you've got a lot of studying to do=)
No it doesn't protect the will of the people, it protects the smaller states to having an impact on the presidential election.
You may if you amend the Constitution. Although I haven't read the decision, it's probably based on "original intent." Remember, in 1787, slavery existed and the "electorate" was still largely confined to white males who owned property. The Revolution was fought primarily for the reasons of taxation without representation and westward expansion, which had been prevented by the King's Proclamation of 1763. The initial demands were not for independence, but for the rights of Englishmen. Once the King proclaimed the 13 colonies to be in rebellion and sent troops to suppress it, that's when the Declaration of Independence was written and at a time when the British system of governance was still the "model," minus the sovereignty transferred from the monarch to the people. IOW, while Washington was our first "national hero," no one expected the powers of the Executive to be that extensive. That came later with our growth and influence, as well as the increase in suffrage.
435 of the electoral votes are based on population. If a state is as you say over represented, its because of the awarding of electoral votes for each senator. It's a two tier system. A compromise to get the states to ratify the Constitution. States with more population will always have more electoral votes based on their population. I suppose one can get all bent out of shape because Wyoming has 3 electoral vote with but 578,000. D.C. also has 3 electoral votes with a population of 633,000. Both below the average congressional district of 711,000.
Even taking away the senators, Wyoming and D.C. would still be over represented simply because they don't have 711,000 people living within their boundaries. South Dakota with 846,000 would be under represented. Strange how folks who live in states with 55 and 29 electoral votes complain about the states with just 3.
Wait until the 2020 census when New York is expected to lose 2 representatives, which means at the moment they are over represented with 29. California is on the borderline or either staying even or losing one. Which also means they are right there or also over represented today.
The left is not about fairness. They are about raw power.
The thing they share in common is that they never happened. That is factual.
And why? Oh yeah, because your side cannot win every election.
People live in small states.
The people are fairly represented in the House. The states they live in are fairly represented in the Senate.
Separate names with a comma.