We'd Be Better Off Without Religion

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  1. Cougarbear

    Cougarbear Well-Known Member

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    Revisionist history... Hitler wanted to be king of the entire world and cleans the world of weak people starting with the Jews. Hitler already attacked England and France before they declared war. Hitler invaded Poland. That started the war.
     
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    In these times, it is the rarest of gems(to me)to know that God lives. With morals and standards being eroded and discarded left and right...and while this decline is lamentable, it is a great comfort to know that God is the Father of my conception, and cornerstone of eternity. More and more, the people reject and cannot bear firm counsel, much less the strength of Gods counsel.
     
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    I do not remember which President of the Church said that there would be a day in which the Church would be divided in half over a certain issue. Some thought it would be over the new Prophet, President Benson back in the 80's. Some thought it would be over women's rights. But, it seems to be now LGBTQ that is driving a wedge in with the younger people. And, the Church leaders know this. But, I also see that there is a much longer leash on heterosexual relationships of unmarried persons. We have a four fold mission of the Church no matter how we want to say it. We simply have to keep our eyes on the Tree of Life and not get swept away into the filthy river by the loud social media and politicians pointing fingers from their large and spacious building condemning the faithful saints of God.
     
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  4. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Actually, Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, and then two days later, France and Britain declared war on Germany. On September 17, Russia also invaded Poland.

    Therefore, there wouldn't have been a war if France and Britain hadn't declared war on Germany. Remember how we invaded Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan? Suppose other countries had declared war on America in response. Would there have been any difference between the action of Nazi Germany and America? Nope, because they are the same action.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    According to the biblical fairy tale, the God character uses evil angels to do his dirty work for him. So, if the God character manipulates evil to do his dirty work, how can he be considered good?
     
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    On that note we totally agree Hitler was forced into war because of his success rebuilding Germany. German luxury liners paled anything Britain had they weren't even allowed into British ports.
    The garbage you're posting about Hitler isn't even revisionist history is just plain Zionist J-W propaganda.

    Clearly you've done absolutely zero research on the matter otherwise you would very well know that Germany was divided into two sections by the Zionist J-Ws after WW1 and the section that was given to Poland, the poles immediately slaughtered, exterminating over 50,000 unarmed German farmers, men woman and children but not before raping and pillaging and mutilating them.

    Of course the brits and merca supported the massacre by declaring war against Germany and fighting on the side of the Zionist J-Ws

    I suppose you think Hitler should have just sat back and said thats a shame, hey there are a lot more Germans you can massacre here in Germany, come and get em!

    The Fact of the matter is as the bird said Zionist Jews tried to break Germany who was mostly a Christian country.

    Hitler sued for peace 9 times before Britain dropped first bomb in German territory, each time the allies gave him the bird!

    Hitler Didn't lay a finger on either England or France before they declared war on him.

    I Suppose you think it's a okay for the Polish to slaughter all those innocent Germans while they were trying to retreat West Germany.

    What the bird posted is Real History what you posted is garbage propaganda.
     
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    Objectively speaking, I think the best way to do that on a personal level, or what I would tell myself, is to remain close to ones testimony and to God thru prayer. And to always submit to the Church's leadership, especially to the prophets counsel. All of the issues, debates, disagreements, contentions and such, no matter where one finds oneself in the mix, should all be dropped, swept into a pile and pushed aside, either for later consideration or to the trash heap. Contending should not so occupy ones heart and spirit to the point of being ones prime or sole motivation, thus separating him/her from the path of salvation. I know this is easier to say than to do. The temptation to enter the fray is great. But I would ask myself, to what end? Our heavenly Father has been kinder to me than I could ever deserve. I know he lives. I know the missionaries are his laborers, that they are acceptable to him and authorized to teach his gospel, call people to repentance, to baptize and bestow the gift of the holy ghost. By this I know that the Church they represent is his and rightfully bears his name. I am resolved to the belief and to reason that God would never allow the Prophet to lead his people astray. Also that his Church is in it for the long haul.
     
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    Later on in the war be did, but there is little evidence that he wanted this before France and England attacked.

    There is also a good argument that he never would have risen to power had the treatment of Germany under the treaty or Versailles not been so draconian, or had Germany been conquered full out during WW1. There is a good argument that the end of WW1 made WW2 inevitable.

    History isn't as black and white, good vs evil as it made out to be (by the victors), even in the case of the war against the Nazis (and it's hard to get much worse than the Nazis).
     
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    Interesting how you like to defend Hitler. But, while WW1 did lead to WW2, Hitler always sought power, but was also patient enough to strike the hearts and fears of the people at the right time. The 1930's depression was a perfect time and he chose the Jews, Blacks and those he thought were not Aryan enough. Jessie Owens winning the 100 yard dash in front of him burnt him. He was already making himself to be god, fuhrer of this world.
     
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    Interesting how you translate nuance into strawmen.

    Actually not true. At one point he wanted to be an artist. But it is true that the conditions would have led to somebody like Hitler if not Hitler himself.

    Yes. He had the perfect social and economic conditions to both become a monster and for that monster to rise to power, and those conditions were in large part created by the draconian restrictions placed on Germany post WW1.
     
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    Nonsense. Did Japan and Germany after WW2 become monsters after the same draconian restrictions were placed on them by the U.S.? No. And, to think Hitler hadn't formed his hatred early in his youth is ridiculous and a revisionists look at history. Where are you getting this about Hitler that in the 30's he was just a great military artist. Good grief!!!
     
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    Never expect the typical American to know American or world history. They barely know where America is.
     
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    1) Spirituality is not a denial of God -- just believe in a different God that what you believe
    2) The Romans were uber religios - your claim that they were atheists is simply false.

    3) you are the one moving the goalposts from "history" to only 20th century.
     
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    We would be better off without organized religion, especially the kind that is used to justify oppressive laws and regimes. If people want to have some personal faith in an afterlife, devotion to a divine figure, belief in ancestors watching over them, and so on, then that's not such a big deal. Religion generally only becomes a problem when people use it as a basis for politics.
     
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    Heh. Romans were never atheists. They just went from polytheism to monotheism -- then became religiously intolerant of the "pagans" (which they themselves used to be) because of it. The Bible as we know it and all modern forms of Christianity are descended from Roman tradition, too, be it eastern or western.
     
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    For three hundred years, Romans made the practice of Christianity illegal, and persecuted its practitioners. Such religious intolerance is not very spiritual.
     
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    What Roman leader was religious? Humbug! And, those who are "spiritual" do not believe in a God. They believe in other stuff like metaphysics and goofy stuff like that. Or, they think they have wonderful consciences formed by societal norms and not Gods so they can sexually sin all they want to.
     
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    Just like the Taliban today...
     
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    Christopher died in 2011at the age of 62.

    Since he died, he was not seen at all in Heaven. I believe.
     
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    Constantine imposed Christianity on the Roman empire.

    The Vatican, Constantine created it. Around 308 AD as I remember this.
     
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    I now understand your hate much better now with that confession.
     
  22. Cougarbear

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    He wasn't religious to begin with. He had that vision that changed him from atheist to having a sort of belief in Christ. The organization though was more for political purposes and control.
     
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    Well that proves Atheism is correct. :roll:

    Often when I am musing, I wonder if all those spiders, cockroaches and various snakes and vermin were at one point human beings?
     
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    Sort of correct. Since I know this history better than I know the Taliban's, he was a pagan for most of his life. The vision showing him winning at the Milvian Bridge converted him. So he made it the religion recognized by the Empire. He was devout enough to create the Vatican spawning the Catholic religion.
    http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news...ine rode into Rome with the head of Maxentius.
     
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    seems to me the romans had to the tune of 200-300 gods/deities.
     

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